By "idea" I meant just wishing they hadn't scaled up the ship. Here's a pic of the new shuttlebay, with one of the 40ft "Military Transport" shuttles parked inside. It looks to me the same size as it was in ST'09: http://www.ncc1701shipyard.com/images/highres/shuttlebay3.jpg And here's the entire Vengeance crash sequence in HD, courtesy of Paramount France. [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRblfmXGCc[/YT] Back when the film opened, Locutus of Bored posted a cool map showing Vengeance's path of destruction, and it's relative size to Alcatraz Island at what we'd guesstimated at the time to be 1450m/4757ft - extremely close to ILM's 4500ft and Qmx's 4800ft figures. I'll see if I can find it.