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Nowhere in the new film is the term "transwarp" used. Carol Marcus just says that the Vengeance has "advanced warp capabilities."

Not even in conjunction with Scotty's beaming formula? True, I certainly never heard it conjunction with propulsion.
 
My mistake. But as far as propulsion, the Vengeance isn't described as "transwarp" capable.
 
For whatever it's worth, Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise and FASA's old gaming manuals technobabbled that the STIII transwarp drive somehow combined the transporter and warp drive systems.
 
It also claimed the 1701-A had transwarp.

That explains how it got to the center of the galaxy so quickly. :techman:
It also explains how Enterprise and Excelsior were both able to cover the distances that they did in such a short amount of time. Both are shown warping to Khitomer from totally different locations -- arguably, totally different sectors of space -- in less than a day. Still earlier, Enterprise manages to warp across space from a position within Federation space to a location "deep within the Klingon frontier" in a matter of hours. It suffices to say that the Enterprise-A was considerably faster than the original Enterprise.

I call bullshit on 1701-A having transwarp.
Seems perfectly plausible to me, especially since it's not entirely clear what "transwarp" even means other than "really really fast warp."
 
In fact, someone show me where it is conclusively established that there are four or five decks along the saucer rim. 'Cause I don't think it ever was.

Look at the airlock on the neck-pylon, the door is at least as high as the windows on the neck, which in turn are at least as high as the larger windows you can see here on the saucer.
It's reasonable to assume that the saucer can be, at the rim, as high as five standard-height decks.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd1008.jpg

Looking at this screengrab from the 2009 teaser where you can see a worker kneeling over to weld, it's EASILY five decks...

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If you want to play that game, Kira said that warping within a system was very risky. It's not like actual Trek canon doesn't contradict itself.

I don't think whether or not there's a contradiction should be used to determine canon. But the TNG guide was written by the guys doing the show, so it's more reliable, in my view, than Scott's guide.
 
Seems perfectly plausible to me

I don't think so. Mr Scott's Guide... is unofficial. All 'more-or-less official' books after TNG said that transwarp was a failure.

Something had to have changed because TNG warp was much faster than TOS warp. Warp 10 is infinite velocity in TNG, we saw the TOS ship move beyond warp 10 multiple times.

Perhaps transwarp was a success and the books simply got it wrong?
 
Something had to have changed because TNG warp was much faster than TOS warp. Warp 10 is infinite velocity in TNG, we saw the TOS ship move beyond warp 10 multiple times.

Perhaps transwarp was a success and the books simply got it wrong?

Or just regular advancements in warp drive and the guys at Paramount didn't want to have ships going at warp 31.
 
At the time of early TNG, my personal fanwank was that transwarp drive failed because Federation theories were wrong, and that the subsequent attempts to correct the theories brought about the revision in the regular warp scale.
 
Is there anything in canon (live-action episodes/movies) that says transwarp drive was a failure?
 
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