I seem to recall an interview with Berman from back in the day. He knew it was cheap (that was the point) and that he'd get caught, but they were out of time and money.
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Maybe they shouldn’t have blown all their budget on that pointless Worf promotion scene.
Indeed. The whole scene smacks of contrivance in a way that doesn't resonate with the themes of the film. "We're out on a ship in the water" really doesn't add struggles with death and loss like Picard and Kirk and Soran all face. It's strange and really feels out of place.
To me, it’s not so much that they reused the explosion footage. It’s that they should have given the Duras sisters a better ship to equal the Enterprise-D rather than just a Bird of Prey, but they went with the BoP just so that they could reuse that footage.
I do agree in that I find that even with the magic shield trickery that a BoP would not be able to brick the Enterprise-D.
If they were wanting to re-use a model but not have the Duras sisters have a top of the line ship they could have at least used the updated K'tinga from TUC. I could see, given the same level of shield trickery, a full up modernized K'tinga could put a hurt on a weakened Galaxy class.
If they were wanting to re-use a model but not have the Duras sisters have a top of the line ship they could have at least used the updated K'tinga from TUC. I could see, given the same level of shield trickery, a full up modernized K'tinga could put a hurt on a weakened Galaxy class.
Source? It was a well known and beloved ship that they didn't have to build. (And that ILM built in the first place.)
It was quite painfully obvious that they reused the footage because they intended to use the BoP rather than the more logical choice of using a bigger and better ship to face off against the Enterprise-D. My point was that if they hadn’t spent a significant amount of the budget on the sailboat scene, they could have built a new Klingon battlecruiser filming model.
Wasn't the sail boat an actual existing one they simply rented? It's not like they actually built one from scratch...
It wasn't supposed to be an even match. That's why they had to scheme. Weren't the Duras sisters disgraced and on the run at this point? Why would they have a shiny new (never even seen before?) ship.
YES, they wrote it to be the BoP because that was an economical use of an existing model and sets. That's why they used... Well, almost every ship in TNG! But they certainly didn't say:
"Well... We would design and build a new ship. And shoot all new shots. But you know? What about if we want to blow it up?"
"Oh. Yes. I see. Very tricky. But wait! What if we used the Bird of Prey from The Search for Spock?"
"Oh! Right! And use, like use all the footage we have of THAT ship?"
"No no. This is a major motion picture! We'll hire ILM and they'll film all new big screen shots! Super cool stuff!"
"Well then what--"
"We already have... Explosion footage!"
"I DO like the cut of your jib, young man!"
It's still a bullshit defeat.
It is. That has nothing to do with the model.
I love Generations. Really. But I can go on a LONG time about what they did wrong. But then so can Braga and Moore.
BTW, did anyone else shout when Troi took the helm at the end of Picard?
No.BTW, did anyone else shout when Troi took the helm at the end of Picard?
Debatable.
Honestly, it would make more sense to me if they somehow managed to recover enough pieces of 74205 from the Chin'toka scrapyard to restore it as a museum piece than to think 75633 is no longer duty-capable after less than 30 years.
Relatedly, I can accept that the Intrepid-class has a spin-off after more than 30 years (and I do enjoy the STO early 25th century aesthetic), but I just find it hair-pullingly frustrating that via tweet, Dave Blass revealed the evident showrunner mindset to be that all or nearly all of the Intrepid-class is defunct in 2401. Come on! How can you just cut the service life of so many Intrepids even shorter than Kirk's Enterprise in light of Voyager's extraordinary solo performance? And if the answer is that the Intrepids were all cannibalised to become Pathfinders like what happened with the Titan-A's silly application of the term 'refit', then argh.
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Yes, they rented the boat. For a significant amount of their budget money.
As @fireproof78 mentioned, it was still a bullshit defeat.
I'd be curious to know how substantial.
I'd keep the Lady Washington and lose stellar cartography.
Since Data was running helm from the left side (for some reason), I wonder if Troi took that task over, or simply entered coordinates.It is. That has nothing to do with the model.
I love Generations. Really. But I can go on a LONG time about what they did wrong. But then so can Braga and Moore.
BTW, did anyone else shout when Troi took the helm at the end of Picard?
0.12%? It cost around thirty thousand USD to rent the boat for four days back in 1994. The initial budget for Generations was twenty-five million USD, but it ballooned an extra ten million due to production underestimates and reshoots (it cost five million just to redo an initially rejected famous death scene). Renting the boat didn't break the bank, Kirk did.
The Enterprise was "played" by the Lady Washington, a replica of an 18th century brigantine of the same name built to celebrate the 100th anniversary of Washington state's admission to the USA in 1989. Perhaps her most famous on-screen "role" was the HMS Interceptor, the Royal Navy ship stolen by Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl. Her home port is Aberdeen, WA and she's considered the "state flagship" of Washington, apparently.
