So that would explain the unused VFX of the fleet of warbirds flying toward Mars. But I was unaware that this was from a discarded storyline.
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So that would explain the unused VFX of the fleet of warbirds flying toward Mars. But I was unaware that this was from a discarded storyline.
If you wanted to evacuate the population of the Romulus, you should've probably designed those Isoceles Trapezoidal Container boxes to be a bit wider.
Those seem too narow compared to the space between the Warp Nacelles.
The Vessel's width is 152.4 meters (measured at the Warp Nacelles)
In my Head Canon, I widened those Boxes to be 120 meters wide, instead of what they are now which is < half of my width.
5 meters on each side of the Isoceles Trapezoid for a Triangular walk-ways and access area.
That should make loading/unloading far easier with Anti-Grav Fork Lifts and Pallet Jacks by individual folks / Romulan Refugees / moving staff.
The Isoceles Trapezoidal Boxes would be 4.5 meters tall in my head canon, so very tall folks can walk through on each side with a bit of care for the slanted hull.
You'd get a bit over 4 meters for Cargo Height internally.
The Cargo Deck area on the container would be 110 meters wide and composed of many Isoceles Trapezoidal Box sections that total up to 450 meters in length.
The Floor / Deck can have many tie down points to strap down standardized Modular Container Boxes or any other palletized cargo.
If you were fitting many Intermodal Containers inside, you can carry a significant fraction of the full carrying load of an IRL Container Ship.
Those seem too narow compared to the space between the Warp Nacelles.
The Vessel's width is 152.4 meters (measured at the Warp Nacelles)
In my Head Canon, I widened those Boxes to be 120 meters wide, instead of what they are now which is < half of my width.
5 meters on each side of the Isoceles Trapezoid for a Triangular walk-ways and access area.
That should make loading/unloading far easier with Anti-Grav Fork Lifts and Pallet Jacks by individual folks / Romulan Refugees / moving staff.
The Isoceles Trapezoidal Boxes would be 4.5 meters tall in my head canon, so very tall folks can walk through on each side with a bit of care for the slanted hull.
You'd get a bit over 4 meters for Cargo Height internally.
The Cargo Deck area on the container would be 110 meters wide and composed of many Isoceles Trapezoidal Box sections that total up to 450 meters in length.
The Floor / Deck can have many tie down points to strap down standardized Modular Container Boxes or any other palletized cargo.
If you were fitting many Intermodal Containers inside, you can carry a significant fraction of the full carrying load of an IRL Container Ship.
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So I’m a bit confused about the tugs. The original storyline was that they were meant to be escape ships for people on Mars when the Romulans attacked said planet. So, there were no rescue ships for the Romulans to flee their doomed planet? And why would the Romulans be attacking Mars when their own planet was about to be destroyed?
Probably why they didn’t go with that storyline. Didn’t make the foggiest bit of sense. Very surprised, however, that they went so far with it that they actually had CG scenes already rendered (and shown in the trailers) before dropping the scene.
i'd like to think that when starfleet designed their Romulan rescue tugs, they took an existing design of tug and chopped off the extraneous crew sections from the saucer in order to produce a ship they could build fast and crew with a bare minimum of manpower.
honestly one thing that bugs me is the idea that the attack on mars destroying the whole thousands strong fleet of them... why would you hold all of them back till the last minute? wouldn't it be smarter to be putting every ship built directly into service ferrying people off romulus to safe colony sites? at most you might have a short wait while you arrange convoys of a dozen ships or so at a time.
the destruction of the fleetyards would doom the effort not because the fleet of ship got destroyed before use, but because the amount built and put into service ferrying people wasn't sufficient to evacuate the planet in the time it had left.
honestly one thing that bugs me is the idea that the attack on mars destroying the whole thousands strong fleet of them... why would you hold all of them back till the last minute? wouldn't it be smarter to be putting every ship built directly into service ferrying people off romulus to safe colony sites? at most you might have a short wait while you arrange convoys of a dozen ships or so at a time.
the destruction of the fleetyards would doom the effort not because the fleet of ship got destroyed before use, but because the amount built and put into service ferrying people wasn't sufficient to evacuate the planet in the time it had left.
It could be that the tug could carry saucer slices/pieces and containers both?
I think Sternbach had a pizza like primary hull design in a TNG manual.
I’d have that only for tugs.
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I'd prefer if they modified the tugs to be similar to this John Eaves design where they take 120° Pie Slices out of the Saucer hull and allow you to put in Modular Housing for colonization.
3x 120° Pie Slice Building Structures can be deployed from orbit via slow Anti-Grav drop onto the colonization site.
Those 3x 120° Pie Slice Building Structures could be "Temporary Housing" for all the colonists while the Cargo Modules can contain all the equipment needed to help settle and make new cities / civilizations.
My original calculation for the Container Module height was wrong and off by a bit.
It turns out that the Cargo Container Modules are ~31.2 meters tall, that can easily fit 7x 4 meter high decks of worth of stuff.
The Container Modules still aren't "Wide Enough" IMO and should still be widened to 120 meters width.
Especially given the fact that the outside of the Warp Nacelle width is 152.4 meters wide
The Cargo Container Modules can be attached in a train like formation for 450 meters in length.
So a Total Cargo Container Module size of LxWxH = 450 meters x 120 meters x 31.2 meters should allow a society to carry ALOT of necessary heavy equipment and colonists to rebuild society on another planet.
I can't lie, it kind of bothers me that the warp nacelles don't have line-of-sight between them when there's a cargo container connected. They could've had them tilt upwards instead of downwards.
The Defiant didn't have line-of-sight per se, there's probably a few others. It was never a stated rule.
I'd guess putting the pods between the nacelles allows the warp field to encompass the pods better.
It's at least possible; the original mesh was pretty high resolution. It would need new shaders & textures to be up to modern standards, but otherwise I don't see why they couldn't.
Not like they were going to be in there long term.
a week, maybe 2 at most. not like they need huge staterooms, just a bunch of bunk beds, a latrine, a galley, and a room to hang out.
a week, maybe 2 at most. not like they need huge staterooms, just a bunch of bunk beds, a latrine, a galley, and a room to hang out.
Warp Field's aren't simple Straight Lines, they're far more complicated and more bubble like in nature.
Actually, the Defiant-class kinda does have line-of-sight for the Warp Field Emissions, you just have to look at the direction that the Warp Field Grilles are pointing and where they're converging.
The Warp Nacelle Field Grilles are largely vertical in nature, so they probably wrap around everything and cross / meet above the Containers.
Look at the Triangular Tube Shape with the Warp Field Grilles facing upwards mostly towards the Dorsal side of the vessel.
Also, notice how the Cargo Container Module is an Isoceles Trapezoid tube in shape.
That hull shape must help the Warp Field to some degree.
True, but look at the way the hull is bent inwards, I wouldn't be surprised if the Warp Field Bubble wraps around the hull in a inefficient way underneath.
Even in the 32nd century, the Warp Field Grilles are on the side and emit Vertically along the hull and meet at the above an below points on the Ventral / Dorsal sides of the Shuttle's hull.
There's a slight Chevron like curvature to the Warp Field Grilles on the side.
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When Picard season one was being developed they weren't allowed to reference events from the 2009 movie directly. I know that changed between then and release, but I think it explains some of the weirdness.
Warp Field's aren't simple Straight Lines, they're far more complicated and more bubble like in nature.
Actually, the Defiant-class kinda does have line-of-sight for the Warp Field Emissions, you just have to look at the direction that the Warp Field Grilles are pointing and where they're converging.
I'm fairly certain the "line of sight" malarkey is referring to the nacelles being in sight of each other, so they can send warp energy to each other (or whatever the theory is). It's probably in the same vein as "pairs of nacelles" idea (which unless single nacelle ships have two full engines inside the one housing, doesn't hold water anyway).
And yeah, the warp fields that we've seen represented are bubble-like and wouldn't seem to be so dependent on the placement of the warp nacelles.
The best way I've ever seen this whole line-of-site notion visualized is in this TMP concept art:
It was a part of Roddenberry's "rules" of starship design. Sorry for the crappy image quality & size. Can't find a bigger one at present. My internet at work sucks balls. Y'all get the idea...
It was a part of Roddenberry's "rules" of starship design. Sorry for the crappy image quality & size. Can't find a bigger one at present. My internet at work sucks balls. Y'all get the idea...
Ah, now it makes sense. So basically, Starfleet and Romulan ships were designed for one purpose, and when the story changed, those ships were given a completely different purpose.
Vessels like the "Nebula Class" have the StarDrive section block a giant chunk of the visibility of the Warp Nacelle Field grilles, yet it works just fine. Ergo needing absolute direct line of sight isn't necessary.
Just look at "The Phoenix", Zefram Cochranes Warp Prototype. No need for direct line of sight.
The Warp Field grilles are facing outwards with no direct line of sight and the main vessels hull is in the way.
And the Borg doesn't need direct line of sight either and they can catch up to just about anybody.
As long as the Warp bubbles can grow and converge in 3D space, that's all that matters.
Hull or Super Structure getting in the way only hurts efficiency, but doesn't seem to stop operation.
Just look at the USS Voyager / Intrepid Class.
She was the fastest vessel of her day (Yes it was short lived, Prometheus Class took over).
But The Voyager's Warp Nacelles had the Warp Field Grilles aimed outwards, even with variable geometry, the Field grilles never pointed at each other, they were both canted to face outwards.
Doesn't mean the bubbles didn't grow outwards to meet each other, they obviously did.
