Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by pst, Jan 9, 2020.

  1. ITDUDE

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    We can argue for anything ranked 3 and below, but any list that doesn't have TOS enterprise as number one and E-D as number two is just plain wrong :D

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  2. fireproof78

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    I'll be wrong on the D all day long.
     
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    I like the NX-01 more than I do any other Enterprises except for the TOS, the Enterprise refit and the 1701-A and - maybe - the Enterprise-D.
     
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  4. Dukhat

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    90% my list as well. I probably wouldn’t have put the Enterprise-E that low; it would probably be between the C and the B.
     
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  5. The Old Mixer

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    The prettiest Enterprise is the TMP refit; I don't shorthand it as the Ent-A, because it never felt like the same ship to me.
     
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  6. ITDUDE

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    Yeah, I placed it higher before. But with 20 years of hindsight and more in-depth analysis, it just doesn't right to place it that high
     
  7. urbandk

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    I'm actually a little unclear on the relationship between the DSC/PIC Enterprise and the TOS/TMP Enterprise.

    It seems as though the redesign/re-imagining split the difference between the two and posits that the struts were not rebuilt during the refit but were always that way.

    In other words, the Enterprise as depicted in TOS is a kind of hazy approximation of what the Enterprise "is" in this new continuation of Prime continuity.

    Some real epistemological questions here!
     
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  8. Dukhat

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    The Enterprise-E was an ok ship for its time and use in the TNG films, but it doesn’t scream weekly hero ship for me like the Enterprise-D did.
     
  9. Dukhat

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    You are correct. The Powers That Be are retconning the original TOS Enterprise out of existence. Even though it was just fine for the last 50 years.
     
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  10. ITDUDE

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    Well.. (deep breath)... you see there are like 17 versions of original TOS enterprise, April, Pre-pike, post-pike, pre-cage, post-cage, pre-Kirk, pre-second-pilot, post-second-pilot, phase II, pre-TMP, post TMP.... (second deep breath)... and then there is the -A which is not same the same thing as TMP.... (faints from lack of oxygen)...
    Basically there is an enterprise for every occasion. They all go through major refits between appearances.. Yeah.. that's right.
     
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  11. Dukhat

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    Except CBS is making it clear that there was only one version of the NCC-1701 before the TMP refit, and what we see in DSC is it. No seventeen different refits; just the one design.
     
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    Yeah, I never got attached to that one either.
     
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  13. urbandk

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    I guess if you squint really hard while watching DSC/PIC you can see the TOS Enterprise or, if you prefer, the DSC/PIC Enterprise while watching TOS.

    There must be some Platonic ideal, the Enterprise essence if you will, that precedes all these depictions.
     
  14. Longinus

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    It's not clear at all. Ships called B'rell have been using same stock footage than ships refereed as K'vort so there is no particular reason to assume these two are different size. And even the one and the same ship, HMS Bounty, seems to change size from scene to scene.
     
  15. ITDUDE

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    It's not a given that there is a TMP refit anymore. I think CBS is saying there was only ever one TOS Enterprise (looks the same as -A). I just can't see Discoprise morphing into original TMP refit.
    If they still want to have a TMP refit (and -A that looks like TMP refit) as historical Enterprises, then they would have to make a new TMP refit, based on Discoprise. Won't the Interwebz explode if that version is ever shown on screen :D
     
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    Tell that to CBS, Paramount and Mike Okuda. Sure, there are different sizes. The creators have already said so and dating back decades.
     
  17. Longinus

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    I just watched some TOS couple of days ago. I did not see Discoprise there.
     
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    Such is life and the way things go.

    The Borg have been retconned, and then the retcon has been retconned to a new retcon.
     
  19. Dukhat

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    Seeing Kruge’s original BoP in STIII, and then seeing the exact same ship with a wingspan as long as a Romulan warbird in TNG, is pretty solid proof that not all BoPs are the same size.
     
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    And you didn't see Sisko, Dax, O'brien and Bashir on K-7 and the Enterprise during The Trouble with Tribbles, but they were there...
     
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