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Starship design history in light of Discovery

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This probably isn't 100% the right place for the is post but the most recent episode of Saturday Morning Trek
“The Delta Triangle Flyer” Exploring the SS Bonaventure (Includes a special video version!) discusses where the "Bonnie" might fit into the current timeline. Since it can't be the first ship with warp drive we made it the first ship with 'modern' warp drive - the first warp 7 ship that was built for the Romulan war but wasn't finished until the year the Federation was formed.

There's a lot more visuals on the video and we talk about the timeline. It's fun conjecture!

We tried to stay as close to the screen version as possible but added in a few little details after talking to Doug Drexler and Rick Sternbach -- and of course to Robert Kline the original designer of the "Bonnie"!

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Nice one GeekFilter! I recon she served around the birth of the Federation, perhaps one of the first classes designed after the NX class/Daedalus class. Obviously I'm basing that on nothing, other than a similar thought that the line about her being the first warp ship, might mean "first ship with modern engines" or "first warp ship.... of the Federation once united".

So, here is how things stand:

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If we speculate that the "Shepard class" USS Gagarin (edited) is newer than the Constitution class (despite the registry), and therefore closer to the Motion Picture era - then as someone else said, the angular nacelles look like a progression toward the rectangular ones of the films.

I've been thinking a bit about starship lineage, and one thing that I don't know, is whether the Soveriegn class, Akira class, or Intrepid class came first - all seem to be roughly contemporary. I think most people speculate that the three shapes of warp engine were concurrent - that Starfleet was also keen to develop variety after Wolf 359. But given how fast the Enterprise E replaced the Enterprise D, there is also a possibility that even the Sovereign program might have already been underway for some time.
 
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Sorry, what I meant was all ships that bear that hooded engine design might be newer than the Connie engine. The issue is less clear with the Shepard-class, etc. But since that line indicates the Discovery is newer, perhaps the hooded bussard collector is closer to The Motion Picture. And as someone previously said, there may have been a refit throughout the fleet, even if classes like the Shepard are older.
 
Sorry, what I meant was all ships that bear that hooded engine design might be newer than the Connie engine. The issue is less clear with the Shepard-class, etc. But since that line indicates the Discovery is newer, perhaps the hooded bussard collector is closer to The Motion Picture. And as someone previously said, there may have been a refit throughout the fleet, even if classes like the Shepard are older.

As has been said, there's no reason they can't be contemporaries. The teeny domes on the DSC ships remind me a bit of some cutaway drawings that show 24th century ships like the Sovereign have multiple small TOS-style nacelle caps inside their bussard collectors. The DSC-style engines could be the first step to "enclosed" nacelle caps and the other machinery, but they still don't work quite as well, so more powerful but less advanced "exposed" engines are still preferred for some designs, like the Constitution, where speed and power are at a premium, even if they're less efficient and require constant maintenance. It'd be analogous to the development of the electric car, where even though higher performance is possible than using a gasoline engine, the first generations of the technology can't match the older, more refined version in practice quite yet, but it's still being rolled out in parallel because that's the direction the proverbial puck is going. By TMP, "enclosed" warp nacelles can match or exceed the performance of cylindrical ones, so they begin rolling them out on ships that need the performance, starting with the Enterprise

As for the Constitution itself, "Lethe" made it seem like those ships were prestige postings and officers who made it on board were considered to be on the fast-track to career advancement, and both Discovery novels (produced with closer-than-usual coordination of the TV production team) are very clear that the Constitution-class is the Cadillac of space, brand-new and completely tricked-out and overpowered compared to anything else in the fleet (the Shenzhou, specifically).

Discovery is said to be a new ship, but unless I'm forgetting a line (please tell me), that assessment is made by a non-Starfleet spree killer commenting on how clean the floors were. I take it that the base Crossfield design is a bit older than the Shenzhou and related classes, but Discovery and Glenn were gutted to the rafters a la TMP to be fitted with spore-drive equipment. They don't need big, powerful, finicky cylindrical engines because it's a science ship, so it'll spend most of its time in one place or another and not racing between crises, and, of course, if the spore drive is a success, warp drive as a whole will be obsolete, anyway.
 
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Discovery is also described as the most advanced ship in the fleet, by I think Admiral Cornwell? It was a Starfleet officer I know that.
 
I think the trend of ship designs from the 23rd Century to 24th, which still survives prequels, reboots, and other updates, is that 23rd Century starships have harder edges, harder lines, and less organic shapes. 24th Century designs, such as Voyager and the Enterprise-D look more like sea life. The Enterprise-E is more like a throwback, post-Excelsior.

Discovery firmly looks like a design that actually might've come out in Star Trek's mid-to-late-23rd Century. It wouldn't look out of place next to the refit NCC-1701 in TMP.
 
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Discovery is also described as the most advanced ship in the fleet, by I think Admiral Cornwell? It was a Starfleet officer I know that.

That still doesn't necessarily mean "recently constructed," especially since the premise of the show is that Discovery is fitted with one-of-a-kind supertech. Voyager was unquestionably the most advanced ship in the fleet the day it arrived back at Earth, but doesn't mean for starship-lineage-timeline purposes we should treat it as if it had the latest design and styling and was newer than the E-E, say.
 
There are so many starship threads, I wasn't sure where to put this, but since this one ie about Ship design, I thought it fit here best:

Some info on the Walker Class from the booklet that came with the Eaglemoss Shenzhou Model:

Designed by longtime Star Trek ship creator John Eaves, the class is named for 1960s test pilot Joe Walker, and was shaped much flatter than traditional Starfleet vessels of its era — like the Constitution-class Enterprise — and to avoid having round nacelles, each directive coming from original Discovery showrunner Bryan Fuller.

The saucer section itself includes the Shenzhou’s most distinctive feature, the twin red strips adorning the dorsal and ventral sides of the ship, which comes from designer John Eaves wanting to make up for the very subtle hull aztecing (another design directive) which had limited visibility on-screen.

Source:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/02/review-eaglemoss-shenzhou-star-trek-discovery-model/

The article also includes some images of the booklet's pages with some more info.
 
I still think it's pretty funny that the first time we see Burnham, played by an actress who used to be on The Walking Dead, she's serving on board a WALKER-class ship. ;)

Yeah, I know who they said the class is named after, but come on...
 
So it was Bryan who didn't want round nacelles on the Starfleet ships

I'm thinking he wanted the Connie to be unique

Eaves and the rest of the team came up with a possible reason why the ships are different from the Connie, but it isn't in the trek core preview images, damn it.
 
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Round nacelles are still a thing.

I agree, I was talking about he textures and TOS look. I love the fact we are getting different styles of nacells. None of the ships look kitbashed. Why should all ships of a set design phase share nacells? Because IRL it was cheaper to kit bash?
 
I agree, I was talking about he textures and TOS look. I love the fact we are getting different styles of nacells. None of the ships look kitbashed. Why should all ships of a set design phase share nacells? Because IRL it was cheaper to kit bash?
Ohh, alright. My bad

Ironic, the ships take some design queues from 40s-60s aircraft. Heh.

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