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StarShip Classifications in your Head Cannon!

PPs ("Projection Platforms", NOT "Dreadnoughts" ;) ) - a variety of classes built with the primary purposes of defense/battle and border patrol. Heavy automation and limited mission profiles mean that standard crew complements are generally low - 150 is typical. These are the billets of Flag Captains - captains who have seniority and would potentially be assigned to command task groups.

The Prometheus-class Deep-Space Tactical Vessel would seem to be a reasonable candiate for this role during the late 24th Century. Also described in various off-screen sources as an Advanced Tactical Cruiser and an Advanced Escort (STO).
 
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"Tactical" sounds pretty ridiculous as part of starship terminology. Or any terminology, period. What is it supposed to mean? The opposite of strategic? (What's that supposed to mean? At least when our VOY heroes encounter a "Tactical Cube", it's nicely diminutive and may be argued to lack strategic worth. Is the Prometheus supposed to be an exceptionally weak starship?)

Timo Saloniemi
 
Given its performance, the Prometheus is certainly not weak, it's easily the match for a Nebula-class vessel (roughly a cruiser notionally) and indeed a D'Deridex-class warbird (cruiser or battlecruiser) was destroyed with a similar amount of shots.

As far as the differences between strategic and tactical goals, the former are long-term and/or 'big picture' whereas the latter are short-term and 'small picture' which when combined with 'Tactical' being the ship's department concerned with firepower and combat operations suggests a ship, like Defiant focused on combat rather than general operations, but still having a cruiser's range and speed (conversly the Escort appears to follow the WWII destroyer model of firepower and burst speed not endurance).
 
"Tactical" sounds pretty ridiculous as part of starship terminology. Or any terminology, period. What is it supposed to mean? The opposite of strategic? (What's that supposed to mean? At least when our VOY heroes encounter a "Tactical Cube", it's nicely diminutive and may be argued to lack strategic worth. Is the Prometheus supposed to be an exceptionally weak starship?)
I get the feeling that you don't understand the meanings of "tactical" and "strategic" - they aren't opposites. A tactic usually describes something intended to achieve a smaller, shorter term goal than a strategy is intended for, and in this usage, tactical operations are often *part* of an overall strategy. In other contexts, the words can be used as synonyms.

In the case of the Prometheus, the ship is designed around a particular tactic - that of utilizing the element of surprise and the multiple attack vectors offered by separating into three components. Which generally has very little to do with the ship's particular strategic value in combat, which could be determined by such things as how important using the ship's gimmick is to carrying out a particular plan, or the fact that the Admiral commanding the fleet that she's operating with decided to ride aboard her, or even in a negative way, when three interlinked and somewhat experimental warp systems cause a freak, huge explosion that take out the fleet. ;)
 
I don't see how "tactical" has any business in the description of a starship, is all. It's confusing to the point of nonsensicality if it's supposed to indicate the ship exploits the MVAM tactic. It has no real-world precedent, either: there are no "tactical" anythings out there in the military world. Instead, there are things like "tactical clothing" in the infantile community of survivalist clowns, much as there is "technical clothing" in the world of high-expenditure jogging...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I don’t understand the confusion. How ever the word is used in some circles today, it’s established in Star Trek that tactical has to do with defense “tactics.” Worf stands at the tactical station on the bridge. I liken it to our “armed services.”
 
Starfleet has dress uniforms, too. Doesn't mean that "dress cruiser" would be valid usage.

A vessel being "tactical" is nonsense, pure word salad unfortunately made of nothing but horseradish.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Starfleet has dress uniforms, too. Doesn't mean that "dress cruiser" would be valid usage.
"Tactical" in the Prometheus sense refers to a tactic of the ship itself - the MVAM tactic, as you pointed out. Whether the people inside are carrying phasers or whatever doesn't have anything to do with it. I would assume that a "Dress Cruiser" would be a ship designed for diplomatic functions - hidden weapons or weapons removed, enhanced shields, expanded conference areas, staterooms, and shuttlebays for visiting dignitaries, etc. Something like Federation One (the President's ship).

Our military has "tactical nuclear weapons" and the "Joint Light Tactical Vehicle" and "FMTVs", and that's just off the top of my head. Try again? :P
 
Dress cruiser doesn’t roll off the tongue well enough for me to accept as a formal classification, but it could work as rye slang. Maybe for a cruiser polished and dressed up for a diplomatic function or a show of some kind?

I get what you’re saying though. All cruisers serve as “tactical” cruisers. I find the Prometheus and its MVAM to be incredibly silly, like a Playmates toy slapped into an episode. There’s that precious “canon” for you. But maybe I’ll take @USS Triumphant’s explanation that it refers to an unusual Starfleet Tactical invention.
 
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Back when I was writing fanfics, I kept my ship classification system fairly simple:

(from smallest to largest)
  1. runabout
  2. escort
  3. science vessel
  4. cruiser/frigate
  5. tanker
  6. explorer
Ships could be rated as "light," "medium," or "heavy" in their specific classifications, but I always kept them as subcategories. Hospital ships fell into my cruiser/frigate category too. I kind of imagined a runabout as an "ultra-light" starship, with greater operational range and other abilities than a shuttlecraft.
 
List the StarShip Classifications in your Head Cannon along with Time Frame, roles, size of fleet, state of universe, etc.

e.g.:
Cruiser
Frigate
Battle Ship
etc.

Starship
Shuttle

That's it. Long endurance general purpose starships, and short range skiffs used mainly for transport.

Even today, there's no fundemental difference between cruiser, destroyers and frigates. They're all general purpose warships capable of filling anti-air, anti-surface and anti-sub missions. They even carry the same models of weapons. Destroyers just carry a few more of them and are usually a bit (~15%) faster.

Maybe you could talk me into adding Runabouts as a 3rd category. TBH, they're used more like big shuttles than small starships.

Science, exploration, patrol, or whatever are missions. Not types.
 
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Starfleet has dress uniforms, too. Doesn't mean that "dress cruiser" would be valid usage.

A vessel being "tactical" is nonsense, pure word salad unfortunately made of nothing but horseradish.

Timo Saloniemi

Meh. Word salads happen even in the military. In fact, there's so much verbage they started reducing them to acronyms decades ago. Combat air patrol (CAP)?
 
Starfleet has dress uniforms, too. Doesn't mean that "dress cruiser" would be valid usage.

Probably not, although the dedicated Diplomatic Corps vessels might serve a similar role if needed.

A vessel being "tactical" is nonsense, pure word salad unfortunately made of nothing but horseradish.

If we can have escort vessels, science vessels/survey ships, supply ships/support vessels, training vessels and transport ships, I'm not why larger vessels focused on defense are a dealbreaker.
 
If we can have escort vessels, science vessels/survey ships, supply ships/support vessels, training vessels and transport ships, I'm not why larger vessels focused on defense are a dealbreaker.

Those are all mission types, not ship types.
 
I would argue they are both. Which is very much a thing in the RW. It would be pretty unusual for every ship to be equally balanced in it's abilities. In fact, I'd argue that the four main hero ships of TOS-VOY demonstrate this. While both Enterprises are fairly balanced, Voyager is explicitly a smaller vessel that has less ability to act as a transport vessel or supply ship (and arguably as a diplomatic vessel), and may have significantly reduced scientific analysis and R & D facilities, the only area that it might equal the Galaxy-class is combat, but even if it's about the same offensively, I'd say that it is inferior defensively. The Defiant is good in a fight, but the best that can be said of it's science credentials is that sensors appear to be decent as it explicitly lacks science labs, and is very limited in the transport, supply or diplomatic roles.
 
FWIW the Eaglemoss collection magazines refer to the Prometheus-class as an "attack cruiser" and suggest a similar crew complement to the Intrepid-class (175), suggesting that it might be competitive which the Klingon Vor'cha-class (which replaced the K'Tinga-class battlecruiser as the KDFs main warship) and have a similar power profile to the Galaxy-class (a Battleship in the Yesterday's Enterprise TL) within it's smaller frame, similar to the battlecruisers of the early 20th century.
 
Considering the Prometheus-class has a new specific task design, I would image if would have some kind of specialty designation. Sort of like how the Freedom-class and Independence-class are classified as littoral combat ships (LCS), but soon to be re-designated into fast frigates (FF).
 
I think that just a few designations are better. In my opinion the longer names seen in the fandom like "advanced heavy tactical command frigate" might exist in the sense that they explain why two designs/classes of similar size or configuration might coexist, but I cannot see them being used in regular daily parlance.

The problem with Exploration Designations is that most of StarFleet are different variations of "Multi-Function All Purpose Explorers"

Size determines how many different type of scientific missions can get done and at what rate, thats it.

It also determines the capacity of your Engineering, Hospital, Diplomacy, and Surveillance capabilities.

I'm rather fond of the idea that the typical starship is but a shell. What gets embarked for a specific mission dictates the ship type: under the command of Pike in "The Cage", the starship was a humble Sloop, with just 200 crew and logistics modules for supply runs. But under Kirk in TOS, the starship was a Cruiser, with 400 crew to operate a broad set of research and combat modules...

This would support the idea that in general use, they are not many different classifications in use. Pike version of the ship might be just a cruiser, or even be a light cruiser, and Kirk's version a heavy cruiser, but I would expect both to be called "Constitution (or Star Ship) class" by anyone but a drydock master. In the heat of battle, the general idea that the ship is a well-balanced cruiser is likely more relevant than knowing whether is something like a "defensive strike armored light cruiser" as opposed to some other type of cruiser.

I follow SFB/Starfleet Command also, mostly because I was the most impressed by how it filled out starfleet. Those military categorizations also effectively described the capabilities of the ship in scientific and patrol duties- ie Cruisers are the most balanced of the fleet. Dreadnoughts and Battlecruisers have more weaponry, but also more amenities due to their bulk and size. Klingons refer to the Enterprise-D as a Battleship, the refit as a Battlecruiser, et all.

I also think ships get re-designated as they get older. Excelsior started life as a Dreadnought on the boards, got downgraded to a battlecruiser when she had sister ships, and by the 24th century she's just a heavy cruiser.

Same thing with Mirandas. They begin as New Heavy Cruiser replacements for the aging Constitution/Enterprise class, get overproduced and end up in the 24th century as mere frigates. As (cold) wartime classes oddly they end up being more viable and long-lived than the 24th century replacements which were either too optimistic in their capabilities or too watered down for peacetime roles to be as long-lived.

Like I said, those other classifications might exist to explain, for example, the difference in role between a Soyuz and a Miranda, but calling them a cruiser or frigate keeps it simple and effective in battle.

I also agree that the Mirandas and other classes were likely downgraded as they stayed in service while other bigger classes were brought into service.

Although optimized for combat to a certain extent, Starfleet's destroyers are another "do everything" design that is deployed in substantial numbers, probably 100 to 200 or more.

100-200 destroyers at any given time would make sense with they way I expect NCC numbers to work, as some ships have numbers like 12999, meaning that could is a destroyer type ship and this is the 999th vessel built. It also means that 12 could be more a designation and less an indication of actual class.

Back when I was writing fanfics, I kept my ship classification system fairly simple:

(from smallest to largest)
  1. runabout
  2. escort
  3. science vessel
  4. cruiser/frigate
  5. tanker
  6. explorer
Ships could be rated as "light," "medium," or "heavy" in their specific classifications, but I always kept them as subcategories. Hospital ships fell into my cruiser/frigate category too. I kind of imagined a runabout as an "ultra-light" starship, with greater operational range and other abilities than a shuttlecraft.

A short set of terms like this makes sense for daily use. Here is the version I think about when analyzing the series, modifying the TNG tech manual system.

Explorer (peacetime name for Battleship)-big, expensive, only Galaxy and newer

Cruiser-general use ship, on the big side, covers most hero ships up to Ambassador

Cargo Carrier (peacetime name for Fighter Carrier)- big, but unlike the real Navy, smaller than a cruiser, Akira would be an example.

Tanker-smaller, still capable of general duties, or carrying supplies, like the Ptolemy.

Surveyor/Escort (peacetime name for Destroyer)-small, operates on the edge territory, mapping and some border policing, but can also carry cargo (Antares from TOS)

Scout-small, fast, plentiful, inexpensive, (Grissom would be a newer example)

So that keeps it down to 6 quick designations. But, an Intrepid and a Steamrunner might both be Destroyers with different longer classifications, but I don't like to use them often ;)
 
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