Stargate: Universe: Too soon?

[broberfett]

...Oh dear. I'm afraid you've plummeted to new lows when it comes to gushing about SG.

You are confused, I'm saying there's nothing new under the sun, that's just a fact. Can you tell me who wrote the last ep. of Stargate Atlantis that you saw without looking up the answer on the net?

No, but I remember who's names were on every episode of Enterprise.

 

[DWF]

You are confused, I'm saying there's nothing new under the sun, that's just a fact.

So this excuses no creativity in the approach to the material? Good. I'll have to call the BSG, Pushing Dasies, Lost and Eureka people and tell them to stop being creative right away, because robots, cyborgs, aliens, time travel and space travel have all been done before. Damn not-Stargate writers, being inventive and shit.

Yeah like what happened with Enterprise where new writers were brought in regularly and the people still tuned the show off. And none of those shows have lastest as long as either of the Stargate show and I'm sorry but Lost's flashbacks and now flashforwards are just as repetitive as anything the Stargate shows have done and don't get me started on Galactica's useless love quadangle.

No matter how creative a show might happend to be fans can recognize the older stories in an instant. Look at how inventive and creative they've been on the Daleks back on Dr. Who yet people are still complaining they're overused and boring.

And I'm not suggesting that people don't have the right to dislike a what a show does, but then that's about all do is complain even about a series that's yet to air, yet to be filmed.

And no matter who they bring in they'll still have to deal with Sci-Fi and MGM and the limitations of their budget and studio resourses.

 

[DWF]

...Oh dear. I'm afraid you've plummeted to new lows when it comes to gushing about SG.

You are confused, I'm saying there's nothing new under the sun, that's just a fact. Can you tell me who wrote the last ep. of Stargate Atlantis that you saw without looking up the answer on the net?

No, but I remember who's names were on every episode of Enterprise.

Thanks for proving point.

 

[bigdaddy]

You are confused, I'm saying there's nothing new under the sun, that's just a fact.

So this excuses no creativity in the approach to the material? Good. I'll have to call the BSG, Pushing Dasies, Lost and Eureka people and tell them to stop being creative right away, because robots, cyborgs, aliens, time travel and space travel have all been done before. Damn not-Stargate writers, being inventive and shit.

I'd add some dead shows to the list too like B5, Odyssey 5, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, just to name a few.

Oddly enough the guy second in command on Odyssey 5 worked on Stargate for some bit of time, maybe they should get him back.

And bringing in new talent after the show is already as good as dead does nothing. Coto couldn't save Enterprise, couldn't change the characters and he couldn't hire real actors that you know could act. You really have no clue how things work, and your ignorance amazes me every time you "open your mouth", it's truly stunning.

 

[Broccoli]

Outside of Wright and Cooper, do we even know what other writers are going to be on SGU other than wild speculation?

 

[DWF]

Outside of Wright and Cooper, do we even know what other writers are going to be on SGU other than wild speculation?

No we don't know much about the show other than the general outline and that Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper are writing the pilot, other than that we know nothing about the new show.

 

[Kpnuts]

DWF, thanks for making me laugh. Alert the studios around the world! Every idea has been done, forget trying to be creative! There's no point because DWF has proclaimed every idea has been thought up!! Just rehash the same old replicator storylines over and over! As I said, you've taken your Stargate gushing to new levels.

PS: Enterprise hired a new writing team, and season 4 got RAVE reviews, finally coming up with some seriously interesting plots. That fact that it was cancelled has nothing to do with it. Stargate was cancelled for doing the same old crap for years.

 

[DWF]

DWF, thanks for making me laugh. Alert the studios around the world! Every idea has been done, forget trying to be creative! There's no point because DWF has proclaimed every idea has been thought up!! Just rehash the same old replicator storylines over and over! As I said, you've taken your Stargate gushing to new levels.

PS: Enterprise hired a new writing team, and season 4 got RAVE reviews, finally coming up with some seriously interesting plots. That fact that it was cancelled has nothing to do with it. Stargate was cancelled for doing the same old crap for years.

Rave reviews? Do mind posting any of them or like normal you just made that up?

Rave reviews like Jammer's?

http://www.jammersreviews.com/st-ent/s4/recap.php

There are those out there who see Manny Coto as the savior of Enterprise and think that season four was easily the series' best, and perhaps even the best thing since sliced bread. Me -- I'm not so moved. I don't think Coto is the Enterprise savior. I think he had a very good theoretical idea of what the series as a prequel should be doing, but in terms of the actual shows that ended up on the screen -- well, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. It was adequate ... and thus disappointing given the heightened expectations.
To me, the big improvement in Enterprise came when season three turned things around from the dismal second season to deliver a fairly compelling story arc that spanned the whole year. Season three -- particularly the last third of the season -- was solid entertainment, despite some obvious missteps. The question I find myself asking now is: Was season four better than season three?
My answer to that question is: No. I find season four to be overrated in many camps, and would rank season three as more entertaining, more daring, and with darker and more involving stories. To illustrate my point, none of the trilogy arcs in season four were nearly as involving as "Azati Prime," "Damage," and "The Forgotten" from season three. Certainly, yes, season four was a step in the right direction for Trek fans, and certainly it's better than the first two seasons. But it does not outdo season three in terms of actual drama, character development, or excitement -- and in the end, that's what I think we're all here for.
Structurally, the choice to make the season into a series of "mini-arcs" was both a strength and a weakness. It was a strength in that Trek hadn't consciously taken a stab at a series of relatively self-contained trilogy-sized storylines before in quite this manner, and the format was initially a refreshing proposition. Season three, and previous years of Deep Space Nine, had done longer arcs spanning entire seasons, but many of the individual stories were still often self-contained (which I think is ultimately a better approach because it permits the possibility of doing episodic and serialized elements at the same time). By doing a number of trilogies and two-parters, this season opened itself up to tell more involved, complex stories -- or at least in theory.

http://trekweb.com/stories.php?aid=416a267ebab11&tid=&cid=416c18a7f2f82

Yeah rave reviews.

And who wrote the last ep. of Stargate Atlantis that you watched?

It's really funny how you dodge answering any real questions by attacking another poster.

 

[Kpnuts]

Yes, because pointing out a single individual's thoughts on season 4 makes your point valid. Bravo.

Who wrote the last episode of SGA? Couldn't care less. The fact is, I KNOW that the creative team has more or less stayed the same since the very beginning. That's the point. Don't let the facts, or basic common sense get in the way of a good old 'Isn't Stargate wonderful, it can do no wrong' gushing session.

 

[DWF]

I'm still waiting for the gushing reviews of Enterprise's fourth season. And how is watiing to see what Stargate Universe is going to be like is in any way shape or form gushing about it?

 

[Kpnuts]

I'm not as petty as you and certainly don't take things as literally as you do. If you had been in the Enterprise forum during season 4 you would have seen the vast majority of people loving it, but who cares, it doesn't matter anymore.

Your gushing is due to your ridiculous/hilarious/downright stupid suggestion that there can be no more original ideas on tv anymore. That everything's already been done, and that the same old 13 year old writing staff should be forgiven for rehashing the same old crap every week. I never said you waiting to see what SGU is like = gushing.

 

[bigdaddy]

Yes, because pointing out a single individual's thoughts on season 4 makes your point valid. Bravo.

Who wrote the last episode of SGA? Couldn't care less. The fact is, I KNOW that the creative team has more or less stayed the same since the very beginning. That's the point. Don't let the facts, or basic common sense get in the way of a good old 'Isn't Stargate wonderful, it can do no wrong' gushing session.

Exactly Kpnuts. If the same bosses are in charge of the comany than how much can the company really change with new lower down people?

Some people are too out of touch with reality to see that.

 

[DWF]

I'm not as petty as you and certainly don't take things as literally as you do. If you had been in the Enterprise forum during season 4 you would have seen the vast majority of people loving it, but who cares, it doesn't matter anymore.

Your gushing is due to your ridiculous/hilarious/downright stupid suggestion that there can be no more original ideas on tv anymore. That everything's already been done, and that the same old 13 year old writing staff should be forgiven for rehashing the same old crap every week. I never said you waiting to see what SGU is like = gushing.

It's not stupid at all in fact you keep harping on repetitve the Stargate shows have gotten. You can still have fun creative storylines but in the end it's all be done before.

The Stargate shows didn't invent the list of overused cliches it's been around long before they showed up.

http://www.cthreepo.com/cliche/

 

[Kpnuts]

So using the tired, completely exhausted replicator storyline to pad out Ark of Truth or having the exact same Wraith base/ship inflitrations all the time is ok then... because all the 'scifi chiches' have been used up? Give me a break.

 

[kipron]

What new stuff is there to write about? Robots, cyborgs, aliens, time travel, space travel it's all been done before new writers aren't going to being anything new to the table in that regard.

They could always try writing about, you know, people.

 

[DWF]

What new stuff is there to write about? Robots, cyborgs, aliens, time travel, space travel it's all been done before new writers aren't going to being anything new to the table in that regard.

They could always try writing about, you know, people.

Yeah been there done that too and when they write the other stuff it's alittle known thing called allegory.

The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.

Or they could reteam Fred Willard with Bryon Allen, Mark Russell, Sarah Purcell and Bill Rafferty and call it Stargate: Real People.

 

[ATimson]

No we don't know much about the show other than the general outline and that Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper are writing the pilot, other than that we know nothing about the new show.

Well, we also know that Wright and Cooper will be the showrunners (while Mallozzi and Mullie ahve been showrunning Atlantis since... season two?), and that Mallozzi and Mullie don't yet know if they'll be working on the new show.

Not that I hope for their absence or anything.

 

[DWF]

No we don't know much about the show other than the general outline and that Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper are writing the pilot, other than that we know nothing about the new show.

Well, we also know that Wright and Cooper will be the showrunners (while Mallozzi and Mullie ahve been showrunning Atlantis since... season two?), and that Mallozzi and Mullie don't yet know if they'll be working on the new show.

Not that I hope for their absence or anything.

I think they've been in charge since season four started.

 

[Borg451]

You are confused, I'm saying there's nothing new under the sun, that's just a fact.

So this excuses no creativity in the approach to the material? Good. I'll have to call the BSG, Pushing Dasies, Lost and Eureka people and tell them to stop being creative right away, because robots, cyborgs, aliens, time travel and space travel have all been done before. Damn not-Stargate writers, being inventive and shit.

But BSG and Lost actually are creative... SG has become lame...

i dont want them to make SG:U tbh... as it may being down the other shows..

like Star Trek shows... to many of them. Shoulda just made Deep Space Nine and Enterprise. other ones just bring it down for whatever reason.

 

[Broccoli]

The Enterprise comparison is interesting, but somewhat flawed as the writing on the wall for ENT was probably there long before any of the generally well-regarded revamps came along.

Atlantis was canceled not due to low ratings or if the network thought the show was stale, but rather due to high production costs, the desire to move it to a new medium, and (probably) the desire to start this new series.

My prediction on SGU is that they might retain the "newer" writers such as Gero and Binder, but bring in some fresh blood as well. Mallozzi and Mullie I can see not coming back due to TPTB wanting fresh takes and them wanting to move on (just speculation on my part). However, I can see M&M being involved with future DVD movies.