Stargate: Universe is what Voyager should've been like
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"Plagiarise" is the British spelling.
"Plagiarize" is the North American spelling.
Also: uh, oh, hi JR.*whistles innocently* We should formulate some kind of whippersnapper chain of command.
Would this be by how long exposed to Trek or just general age?
Oh, so I WAS right!!!"Plagiarise" is the British spelling.
"Plagiarize" is the North American spelling.
*exodus pulls down his pants and moons lurok*
No, no, no, a thousand times no. All those people who wanted a dark gritty survival of a spaceship in the wilderness story got it with BSG and SGU. And SGU was a monumental trainwreck. Take all the flaws ENT's producers had an amplify it several times and add in a lot more narcissism, ego, and a stubborn refusal to listen to others and you have the Stargate producers. They wrecked the franchise and killed a show that was doing great (SGA), which had fan support, had the ratings, just because *they* wanted to do something different. For as flawed as Voyager was, it looks like smooth sailing before and behind the cameras (even considering Chakotay's griping et al) compared to SGU. It's almost insulting to compare it to Voyager.
VOY had that dark story everyone wanted, it's called "Equinox". USS Equinox was the story. That whole dark savage storyline that some wanted clashed with the Star Trek ethos. People forget that. DS9 had a foray into dark & gritty, though it looks like Mr. Rogers compared to BSG & SGU. And SGU was filled with vapid relationship drama and the wrong people in the wrong place... on a show produced by the wrong producers written by the wrong writers.
And "Year of Hell", many people seem to miss the ship was so damaged, it literally could not continue. The story/reset button allowed them to go beyond the point of no return to tell a great story. With the damage the ship has in Part 2, the most that could be done to it is salvaging, looking beyond an overhaul or retrofit. And would people really want to be seeing the Krenim for a full year constantly? The Hirogen worked well appearing over a span of a little more than a month.
Voyager's greatest flaws was the Doctor & Seven of Nine dominating the show too much in Seasons 6/7 (actually started in late Season 5 with "Someone to Watch Over Me"), giving us such narcissistic indulgances like that, "Virtuoso", "Body and Soul", "Renaissance Man", and photonic treason. The Doctor was one of Star trek's greatest characters, but he became a bit grating late in the series.
VOY had that dark story everyone wanted, it's called "Equinox". USS Equinox was the story. That whole dark savage storyline that some wanted clashed with the Star Trek ethos. People forget that. DS9 had a foray into dark & gritty, though it looks like Mr. Rogers compared to BSG & SGU. And SGU was filled with vapid relationship drama and the wrong people in the wrong place... on a show produced by the wrong producers written by the wrong writers.
And "Year of Hell", many people seem to miss the ship was so damaged, it literally could not continue. The story/reset button allowed them to go beyond the point of no return to tell a great story. With the damage the ship has in Part 2, the most that could be done to it is salvaging, looking beyond an overhaul or retrofit. And would people really want to be seeing the Krenim for a full year constantly? The Hirogen worked well appearing over a span of a little more than a month.
Voyager's greatest flaws was the Doctor & Seven of Nine dominating the show too much in Seasons 6/7 (actually started in late Season 5 with "Someone to Watch Over Me"), giving us such narcissistic indulgances like that, "Virtuoso", "Body and Soul", "Renaissance Man", and photonic treason. The Doctor was one of Star trek's greatest characters, but he became a bit grating late in the series.
Oh, so I WAS right!!!"Plagiarise" is the British spelling.
"Plagiarize" is the North American spelling.
Ummm......no. Wrong. Twice.
They can, if they choose.
I exercising my right as a public critic, can call it plagerism.
I can see you're not much fun.Oh, so I WAS right!!!"Plagiarise" is the British spelling.
"Plagiarize" is the North American spelling.
Ummm......no. Wrong. Twice.
They can, if they choose.
I exercising my right as a public critic, can call it plagerism.
I adore Stargate Universe.
Par for the course.
We all like Voyager, but the final product was nothing like the original premise, even though the premise is still the hook the most of us hang our adoration on.
After years of my mother talking about lost in Space being the best ever and I did get to sit down and watch a significant run I was so distraught that they stayed on the one planet the whole time and almost never went into space.
TV shows lie. They sell you on what you think you want but you wind up watching a redressing of the Love Boat mostly.
Par for the course.
We all like Voyager, but the final product was nothing like the original premise, even though the premise is still the hook the most of us hang our adoration on.
After years of my mother talking about lost in Space being the best ever and I did get to sit down and watch a significant run I was so distraught that they stayed on the one planet the whole time and almost never went into space.
TV shows lie. They sell you on what you think you want but you wind up watching a redressing of the Love Boat mostly.
"Plagiarise" is the British spelling.
"Plagiarize" is the North American spelling.
Also: uh, oh, hi JR.
Would this be by how long exposed to Trek or just general age?
Hmmm.
Sweetie, I believe you weren't even a gleam in your Father's eye when I started watching Star Trek.
No, it wasn't first run in the 60's... I wasn't allowed to stay up that late. But the reruns in the seventies were so prevalent that I nearly had them all memorized before the 10th grade.
So... you'll always be a whippersnapper to me, no matter how you define it!
Oh, and froot, DON'T think I missed your hand in all this...
"I'll get you, my pretty... and your little dog too!"
We bow down to you J'Rulz.
I wasn't even a gleam when TWoK came out, I think. Maybe even Search for Spock.
Tch. I was a baby when TNG started.
I wasn't even a gleam when TWoK came out, I think. Maybe even Search for Spock.
Tch. I was a baby when TNG started.
70s reruns for me too.
But I was in preschool.
But I was in preschool.
Different for me.
Watched the reruns in the 70's
I was in elementary school.
Hated Trek, found it boring.
No Darth Vader or Droids, no me.
Didn't really become a fan until college and was dragged to see "Undiscovered Country".
Trek finally clicked and the rest is history.
I think that's also why I'm not bothered by Seven's catsuit like many other fans are.
I think allot of folks veiw Trek as boring and sometimes it does take a gimmick like her to get folks to invest the time in it.
Watched the reruns in the 70's
I was in elementary school.
Hated Trek, found it boring.
No Darth Vader or Droids, no me.
Didn't really become a fan until college and was dragged to see "Undiscovered Country".
Trek finally clicked and the rest is history.
I think that's also why I'm not bothered by Seven's catsuit like many other fans are.
I think allot of folks veiw Trek as boring and sometimes it does take a gimmick like her to get folks to invest the time in it.
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Look, for all this talk about Voyager's premise, the premise itself was flawed and needed work. It was an inherently flawed premise: The Maquis were a bad idea, making the ship a small scout vessel wasn't the best idea (I don't mind, though), the Delta Quadrant was a bad idea (Hell, them KNOWING where they were right off the bat was bad), the size of the central cast wasn't all that great (It should have been Janeway, Chakotay, Paris, Tuvok and the Doctor as Centrals, Neelix/Kim/Kes/Torres as Secondary).
Fix those things, you're on the right path.
Fix those things, you're on the right path.
Voyager was never going to get an eighth year. It didn't have to be better. Trek Shows get 7 years. That's it. Something awful would have to be wrong with the universe if a Trek show falls short of seven years.
I'm sure the writers tried to make VOY darker (they wanted "Year of Hell" to be an entire season). It's not their fault that the network brass wouldn't let them.
None of that would have fixed the show when you also have a changing audience climate and Paramount's involvement.
Besides, how would you know off the bat what characters to make primary or secondary before the audience weights in?
None of the shows flaws are in it's premise, the ship size or who the character's are. Voyager flaw has always been in it's execution.
Well, you were the one who originally convinced me that the idea of Maquis tensions wasn't a good one considering their point of rebellion was no longer an issue, which is why I chose Romulans.
I used TOS' small central cast and Farscapes' as an example of smaller central casts.
Personally, I DO think who the characters are was a problem, but that's just me.
I used TOS' small central cast and Farscapes' as an example of smaller central casts.
Personally, I DO think who the characters are was a problem, but that's just me.
The Maquis were still being transported back to a federation penal colony.
hardly endearing.
20 minutes after the curtain fell on Endgame, Kims getting reading for the homecoming party while the Maquis are being unceremoniously transported into the brig pending trial and sentencing when they assume that they're getting medals too.
hardly endearing.
20 minutes after the curtain fell on Endgame, Kims getting reading for the homecoming party while the Maquis are being unceremoniously transported into the brig pending trial and sentencing when they assume that they're getting medals too.
I thought nuBSG had good moments, but a lot of it was retarded, particularly the way the Cylons were handled.
Ron Moore's idea for Voyager would have been even darker than nuBSG I think.
And half of Ron Moore's "ideas" as shown to us in nuBSG was have everybody having hot wild sex all the time, because you know, they are depressed.
Even Baltar had a sex doll in his head fucking him every second episode.
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I still do.
I also find it hard to believe the Romulans wouldn't send spies to investigate a cause that would cause Starfleet Officers to defect.
Janeway knew all the Admirals on a first name basis, remember?
The Maquis weren't going to jail.
Besides, wouldn't Janeway once she became Admiral have the ability to pardon them?
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