Stargate: Universe is what Voyager should've been like

[Guy Gardener]

Are you saying that the Romulans might have been arming the Maquis or that Cloaked Romulan ships were making sure that no one side in this conflict rose to any singular advantage by blasting any bugger unlucky enough to rise tot he top of this dog-pile?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Janeway knew all the Admirals on a first name basis, remember?
The Maquis weren't going to jail.
Besides, wouldn't Janeway once she became Admiral have the ability to pardon them?

Admiral doesn't necessarily mean judiciary.

An Admiral can be part of the JAG Office or be temporarily signed if the need be, but without an impartial and binding hearing, you must be confusing a civilization of laws with a dictatorship that mid level bureaucrats can make unilateral decisions about this and that scoffing at the restraints and due process of the law.

Besides is the federation a police state? Wouldn't there also be a civilian judiciary attached to the Federation operating in parallel tot he JAG office just like with the US legal system?

 

[Anwar]

Are you saying that the Romulans might have been arming the Maquis or that Cloaked Romulan ships were making sure that no one side in this conflict rose to any singular advantage by blasting any bugger unlucky enough to rise tot he top of this dog-pile?

Sounds Romulan to me.

 

[froot]

"Plagiarise" is the British spelling.

"Plagiarize" is the North American spelling.

Also: uh, oh, hi JR. *whistles innocently* We should formulate some kind of whippersnapper chain of command.

Would this be by how long exposed to Trek or just general age?

Hmmm.

Sweetie, I believe you weren't even a gleam in your Father's eye when I started watching Star Trek.

No, it wasn't first run in the 60's... I wasn't allowed to stay up that late. But the reruns in the seventies were so prevalent that I nearly had them all memorized before the 10th grade.

So... you'll always be a whippersnapper to me, no matter how you define it!



Oh, and froot, DON'T think I missed your hand in all this...

"I'll get you, my pretty... and your little dog too!"

Oh sh -

*sneaks away*

Speaking of fathers, if I knew he wouldn't kill me, I have this hilarious old picture of my dad dressing up like Spock. (My Spock love was an inherited thing. )

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Would this be by how long exposed to Trek or just general age?

Hmmm.

Sweetie, I believe you weren't even a gleam in your Father's eye when I started watching Star Trek.

No, it wasn't first run in the 60's... I wasn't allowed to stay up that late. But the reruns in the seventies were so prevalent that I nearly had them all memorized before the 10th grade.

So... you'll always be a whippersnapper to me, no matter how you define it!



Oh, and froot, DON'T think I missed your hand in all this...

"I'll get you, my pretty... and your little dog too!"

Oh sh -

*sneaks away*

Speaking of fathers, if I knew he wouldn't kill me, I have this hilarious old picture of my dad dressing up like Spock. (My Spock love was an inherited thing. )

Back in the mid 90's, I dressed my mom up as a Starship Captain for a halloween costume party she was going to. She was picked up by a "biker chick" and a "gay pirate".

Needless to say, "she looked good!"

 

[BlobVanDam]

Hooray, yet another thread to dump shit on SGU, and Voyager

Both shows have their flaws, but both approaches are entirely different and have their own merit. While SGU has a similar premise, I don't consider it comparable enough to prove whether Voyager failed or succeeded with its premise.
It would have been nice to see some more truly alien stuff on Voyager, and see a bit more focus on the survival aspect. And it would be nice to see some more exploring and alien cultures on SGU, and a bit less bickering about survival. Maybe if we stuck them in a blender together, we'd come up with the perfect show, because I think both shows could have benefited from being a little closer to the middle.

 

[Solariabsg25]

What lasting affects did Cain and her crew have on Adama & Galactica? After he systemactically killed of the rest of Cain's command the whole point of it became insignificant. Everyone when back to their lives and jobs as if it never happened too.

Ummm....no.

Well, most of the mutineers did appear to be ex-Pegasus crew so there was obviously still some deep resentment there, and they'd been working together for about three years by this point.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Pegasus was around for 15 episodes spanning 2 seasons. 2.10 Pegasus - 3.04 Exodus part 2. Imagine how different Equinox Part One, Equinox II, Survival Instinct, Barge of the Dead, Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy, Alice, Riddles, Dragon's Teeth, One Small Step, The Voyager Conspiracy, Pathfinder, Fair Haven, Blink of an Eye, Virtuoso and Memorial would have all been if Equinox had been in formation flying alongside Voyager before something unfortunate happened?

 

[JB2005]

^ It would have made lifeline really awkward...

"Hey there's all these letters for people on the Equi...shit"

 

[exodus]

^ It would have made lifeline really awkward...

"Hey there's all these letters for people on the Equi...shit"

Followed by Tuvok breaking character..

"What!?! Those murdering muthafucka's!!!"

 

[exodus]

Janeway knew all the Admirals on a first name basis, remember?
The Maquis weren't going to jail.
Besides, wouldn't Janeway once she became Admiral have the ability to pardon them?

Admiral doesn't necessarily mean judiciary.

An Admiral can be part of the JAG Office or be temporarily signed if the need be, but without an impartial and binding hearing, you must be confusing a civilization of laws with a dictatorship that mid level bureaucrats can make unilateral decisions about this and that scoffing at the restraints and due process of the law.

No I'm not, which is why I asked: Wouldn't Janeway once she became Admiral have the ability to pardon them?

That wasn't a statement, it was a question.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oh. But you could see how the actual question could be confused with a rhetorical question?

 

[exodus]

Oh. But you could see how the actual question could be confused with a rhetorical question?

No.

 

[Anwar]

Ship's records of all the good stuff the Maquis helped them do, combined with all the information and tech they brought back, plus Chakotay's cell not being as nasty as Eddingtons', would surely keep them out of jail.

 

[exodus]

Ship's records of all the good stuff the Maquis helped them do, combined with all the information and tech they brought back, plus Chakotay's cell not being as nasty as Eddingtons', would surely keep them out of jail.

Plus, if Starfleet could make a peace treaty with the Romulans, Cardassians & Dominion. I don't see how they'd hold a grudge and punish the Maquis.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Maquis are not a civilization.

They're a criminal gang.

IN life Line, by the end of season 6, we found out that the admirals back home thought Voyager was a prisoner transport and this amazed Janeway because she forgot her family were a pack of terrorists.

 

[Xerxus]

No, no, no, a thousand times no. All those people who wanted a dark gritty survival of a spaceship in the wilderness story got it with BSG and SGU. And SGU was a monumental trainwreck. Take all the flaws ENT's producers had an amplify it several times and add in a lot more narcissism, ego, and a stubborn refusal to listen to others and you have the Stargate producers. They wrecked the franchise and killed a show that was doing great (SGA), which had fan support, had the ratings, just because *they* wanted to do something different. For as flawed as Voyager was, it looks like smooth sailing before and behind the cameras (even considering Chakotay's griping et al) compared to SGU. It's almost insulting to compare it to Voyager.

Stargate Atlantis was not doing well. With the rising cost of keeping the cast and crew for another season, along with the ratings declining season by season, it isn't too hard to see why Stargate Atlantis was cancelled.
If Syfy had wanted both shows, MGM would have made both shows at the same time.

I can't help but feel your dislike of SGU was affected by the fate of SGA.

 

[froot]

So, sort of related to this thread, but I'm re-watching nuBSG and:

WHY IS EDWARD JAMES OLMOS SO COOL? There's someone they could have had on VOY! EDWARD JAMES OLMOS. I like to write his name in caps.

Okay, carry on.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It wasn't just Jim. It was the show's message and bible. Olmos would have been misused and underused on Voyager the same as many other great actors and the Rock. No, the opposite, I think the Rock was magnificently underutilized. Did they even give him any lines?

I watched the second half of Season Two NuBSG (Plus Razot) last night and I couldn't help but think that Admiral Cane was Janeway during all her justification speeches where she explains how necessary and justifiable all the horrible actions were. You could tell that she didn't like herself but any other choices would have lead to the ruin and death of her entire crew.

Moore would want to write about "his" Janeway wouldn't he?

 

[exodus]

The Maquis are not a civilization.

They're a criminal gang.

The point is, the Federation forgives.

So, sort of related to this thread, but I'm re-watching nuBSG and:

WHY IS EDWARD JAMES OLMOS SO COOL? There's someone they could have had on VOY! EDWARD JAMES OLMOS. I like to write his name in caps.

Okay, carry on.

I just finished watching it for the first time myself.

I think you need to rethink that.
You would wanna humiliate Olmos by putting him thru "Threshold", "Fair Haven"...........and he'd be in the Chakotay role in 'The Fight".

Allow the man to die one day with dignity, please!