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Stargate: Universe is what Voyager should've been like

Yeah, Nick Lacarno betrayed people and UPN didn't want to have to pay Ron Moore and I think Jeri Taylor for every episode so they changed the name.


You know what would have been awesome though:
having Braga go to DS9, Ron Moore to Voyager, Paris was actually Nick Lacarno(not just character resemblance), and instead of Ensign Harry Kim it would be Ensign Wesley Crusher.


EDIT: He described it as Harry Potter meets CSI
 
Wow :eek: Didn't realise so much passion about Moore here. Hate going off-thread, but even if nuBSG did go off-rails in latter seasons and ending not that great (which is kind of inevitable anyway), it still did more than any other recent series I can think of, for which I will be grateful. Rare to find a series of its kind these days. Which again is why would have liked to see a Moore-led VOY.

And I gather from feedback so far I should skip SGU :)
 
It was Naren Shakar who wrote that episode, not Moore. And they ended up dropping that restriction eventually anyways.

Not that it really mattered, Paris' role didn't make much sense because was only with the Maquis for ONE mission. Why was he so special because of that?

It would have made more sense for the other crew to be Romulans, not Maquis.

And Voyager should've been a Heavy Cruiser with a crew of 700. An Ambassador class, maybe.

Braga on DS9 would've been good. He'd write stories with the Dominion building "High-Concept" superweapons Sisko and co would have to find and destroy.
 
I like how Ron Moore finished DS9 and headed over to the writers on VOY to contribute and basically went away terrified!

From Memory Alpha:
We sat down and approached ‘Equinox II' and tried to find what the show was about. What was the point of meeting this ship and this crew and this captain, and what did it mean? We finally landed on this idea that the two captains were going to go in opposite directions. Janeway was going to really feel the same kind of pressures and stresses that Ransom felt, and watch how it could turn a good, by-the-book Starfleet captain into what he had become. At the same time, his interaction with the Doctor and Seven of Nine would rekindle his humanity. It was this nice, double track approach, but it just got lost in the translation. It has no coherence. You're not sure what's really going on. You've got some potentially good scenes. The scenes between Janeway and Chakotay had some real fire to them, and you kind of felt like she is going off the deep end, a bit. Then she relieves him of duty, and there is this crisis of command between the two of them. But at the end of the episode, it's just a shrug and a smile and off to the next. I just hit the ceiling. I remember writing in the margins, ‘This is a total betrayal of the audience. This is wrong. You can't end the show like this. If you are going to do all this other stuff, you can't end the show like this, because it's not fair, because it's not true, and it just wouldn't happen.'" Moore continued his criticisms of the episode: "The things that Janeway does in ‘Equinox' don't work, because it's not about anything. She's not really grappling with her inner demons. She's not truly under the gun and suffering to the point where you can understand the decisions that she's made. She just gets kind of cranky and bitchy. She's having a bad day; these things keep popping around on the bridge, and we just keep cutting to shots of people grabbing phaser rifles and shooting, and hitting the red alert sign, over and over again. It doesn't signify anything. It's kind of emblematic of the show. There is a lot of potential, and there is a lot of surface sizzle going on in a lot of episodes, but to what end? What are we trying to do? What are we trying to touch in the audience? What are we trying to say? What are the things we are trying to explore? Why are we doing this episode? That was my fundamental question. When I would say, ‘What was the point of doing the first part?' there was never a good answer for that. As a consequence, it was hard to come up with the ending to the show that has no beginning. You just start throwing things around. ‘Two captains on different courses' at least sounds like an episode. At least there is something in it. Janeway will take something away from that experience, but not in the current version. What does she learn from that experience? I don't know how it's affected her. Chakotay, for all his trouble, he just goes back to work. There is no lingering problem with Janeway; there is no deeper issue coming to the fore. The show in general just kinda sucks frankly.

Please, Moore took the same route out when doing Galactica vs. Pegasus.:rolleyes: What lasting affects did Cain and her crew have on Adama & Galactica? After he systemactically killed of the rest of Cain's command the whole point of it became insignificant. Everyone when back to their lives and jobs as if it never happened too.

Yes, Moore is a hypocrite.
 
What lasting affects did Cain and her crew have on Adama & Galactica? After he systemactically killed of the rest of Cain's command the whole point of it became insignificant. Everyone when back to their lives and jobs as if it never happened too.

Ummm....no.
 
it still did more than any other recent series I can think of, for which I will be grateful. Rare to find a series of its kind these days.
Not very hard too do when most of your work is plagerized.

I guess what you're trying to say is Moore plagiarised other people's work for nuBSG? Can't say I saw it. But in any case, do I care? Artists, writers, film and TV makers do it all the time. Sometimes they prefer they to call it 'homage'.
 
Indeed. If you want to see the real difference between DS9 And VOY go watch Flashback and Trials and Tribbleations!

Which is a weird thing to compare since I like both episodes... :vulcan:

EDIT: Oh God... it's the DS9 vs. VOY wars all over again. :guffaw: I should have known better than to name-drop some Ron Moore project in here.

Have we linked to the Ron Moore rants yet?

EDIT2: LOL, yup. Clockwork.
 
I guess what you're trying to say is Moore plagiarised other people's work for nuBSG?
Trying?
No, I came right out and said it.:lol:

Artists, writers, film and TV makers do it all the time. Sometimes they prefer they to call it 'homage'.
They can, if they choose.
I exercising my right as a public critic, can call it plagerism. ;)
And he knew what he was doing.
I think he knew how to better modernize the idea Gene Roddenberry started with, taking a dramatically written concept and putting it a sci-fi setting. So yes, he reset the standard there.

However, the retro-writes in throught nuBSG or such pairings as Apollo/Diwalla makes me not so sure if "knew what he was doing" is correct.
 
EDIT: Oh God... it's the DS9 vs. VOY wars all over again. :guffaw:


Brings you back to those days? :guffaw:

Man, the good old days... I had to walk 20 miles in the snow - uphill - just to get to school! :guffaw:

You kids don't know how how good you have it! Whippersnappers.


I had to walk to school downhill in the blistering heat, and it hailed at the same time! :guffaw:

These kids have no idea what it was like, and you totally sounded like J'Rulz there.
 
Brings you back to those days? :guffaw:

Man, the good old days... I had to walk 20 miles in the snow - uphill - just to get to school! :guffaw:

You kids don't know how how good you have it! Whippersnappers.


I had to walk to school downhill in the blistering heat, and it hailed at the same time! :guffaw:

These kids have no idea what it was like, and you totally sounded like J'Rulz there.

well this kid ain't going to take part in no war :) exodus can have the sandpit to himself. All I really wanted to do was to draw attention to plagiarise, but I suspect no one here likes the sp cops :weep:
 
Brings you back to those days? :guffaw:

Man, the good old days... I had to walk 20 miles in the snow - uphill - just to get to school! :guffaw:

You kids don't know how how good you have it! Whippersnappers.


I had to walk to school downhill in the blistering heat, and it hailed at the same time! :guffaw:

These kids have no idea what it was like, and you totally sounded like J'Rulz there.


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :klingon:

So, what are we talking about?

SGU or whippersnappers?

:guffaw:

And yes, Mairbear, you ARE a whippersnapper to me... but then so is Possum. On the other hand, I think I'm a whippersnapper to Brit.

:bolian:

ETA: Oh, its neither! Its the war between DS9 and nuBSG and Voyager.

Sorry, can't play,I loved them all. (Although if I had to pick it would be hands down Voyager EVERYTIME!)

I noticed Moore never put a plant in the corridor on Galactica. (Didn't he complain that they should have done that on Voyager, to brighten up the place?)
 
Man, the good old days... I had to walk 20 miles in the snow - uphill - just to get to school! :guffaw:

You kids don't know how how good you have it! Whippersnappers.


I had to walk to school downhill in the blistering heat, and it hailed at the same time! :guffaw:

These kids have no idea what it was like, and you totally sounded like J'Rulz there.

well this kid ain't going to take part in no war :) exodus can have the sandpit to himself. All I really wanted to do was to draw attention to plagiarise, but I suspect no one here likes the sp cops :weep:
...and you know I actually looked it up to spell it right........and still spelled it wrong. :lol:


exodus doesn't war, I just debate..............robustly. :lol:
 
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