Meh. I think the Babylon 5 conspiracy is more concerning.
I think you might be on to something. I think there may have been aliens in B5.
Starfleet - war criminals? (Sisko and Starfleet Command)
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I think you might be on to something. I think there may have been aliens in B5.
I believe the Maquis when they say they were defending themselves from the Cardassians. I do NOT believe them when they say that the Federation abandoned them by handing them over to the Cardies on a whim.
Because as anyone who's seen "Journey's End" knows, that's not how it happened. The Federation was willing to help the Maquis relocate elsewhere, but they refused. We SAW this play out.
The first time, Cardassians broke the treaty in The Wounded. The second, was when they were arming their colonists. Sisko discovered this.
They also armed Bajoran revolutionaries, who overthrew the government, and tried to kick the Federation out. Then the last time they just went into the DMZ full force and apparently killed everyone. The Federation didn't say a word
There's no breakage with the treaty in The Wounded. The Cardassians are entitled to deploy their fleet as they like. Now it may certainly be said they were planning to break the treaty but it wasn't they that broke it in that episode.
Best 3 out 4 then.
....If I didn't know better...I'd say you're starting to sound ...like a sympathizer!
The Maquis are wrongheaded in the final analysis but I do think they have "a case". I move on the writers premise that their new homes are sacrosanct and that they've been abruptly and clumsily treated by a distant Federation bureaucracy.
I suspect the Maquis were eliminated by the Cardassians with Dominion help, after Cardassia joined the Dominion and before the war with the Federation broke out. The treaty still banned entry by Federation ships into the DMZ, and the Federation wasn't very interested in breaking the treaty in order to protect the Maquis colonies that were rebelling against Federation authority.
Neither the Maquis nor the Cardassians are particularly interested in telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Could have been either of them or just escalating misunderstandings and prejudice.
The Cardassians were never going to conduct the war against the Maquis with any sort of restraint or follows "rules of war", they were ruthless so the Maquis had to be ruthless.
"Journey's End" is a bit misleading as a model for how things were supposed to go in the Demilitarized Zone. After all, it precedes the entire Zone concept: at that point, there was to be no neutral ground, just UFP planets and CU planets, with UFP citizens banned from CU planets and supposedly vice versa.
Now, we don't know what led to the abandoning of that concept and the adoption of the one where the UFP settlers get to keep their inconveniently located worlds as long as they don't turn those into Starfleet bases from which to launch evil invasions against the CU. Was it the settlers themselves raising a ruckus? Was it either government using such a ruckus (perhaps "Journey's End" itself) as a pretext for insisting that they keep rather than cede their border worlds? Was it something almost but not quite entirely unlike tea?
In any case, it's pretty difficult to sympathize for somebody who prefers death (especially that of others!) to the ceding of land, in a universe where entire Class M planets are free for taking after a two-hour search ("Sanctuary").
Timo Saloniemi
Journey end's wasn't representative of the DMZ.
As I've stated more than once the Maquis had a psychological and emotional investment in the homes and lived they've built.
As I've stated more than once the Maquis had a psychological and emotional investment in the homes and lived they've built.
Sisko says to the new Cardassian leader Dukat that the Federation doesn't recognise his government. If that's so and the Federation regards the Cardassian government as being overthrown and in a state of lawlessness, then the treaty is in abeyance.
The Cardassian/Dominion strike into the DMZ lasted a few short days. It was a blitz and given that it was so quick and efficient, it seems the J-H did most of the running catching Starfleet completely on the hop. That's my take on it.
And as I've stated more than once, the fact that with 24th-century technology, one's home can be re-created in precise detail on any one of hundreds of other worlds, makes that pretty much irrelevant.
Even Chakotay remarked that his father had a saying, "Home is where you are."
What court of law? They started out by defending themselves. The Cardies were never interested in adhering to the treaty
Irrelevant, being the defender does not absolve you of war crimes or excuse your conduct, nor are the legalities of such crimes contingent upon treaty adherence.
Yep, technobabble solutions are always perfect solutions.
TNG forward certainly thought so.
Also, didn't we have the whole moving immigrants via holodeck scenario one episode?
