This is the gritty and realistic Starfleet everyone wanted.
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This is the gritty and realistic Starfleet everyone wanted.
I actually don't hate this version of Starfleet too much because they're jerks and snakes but they're also jerks and snakes who at least are motivated by a desire for peace as well as galactic liberalism. It's just this band of jackasses couldn't accept they were the ones who badly misread the Klingons and tried to blame Michael for, presumably, killing the Torchbearer.
It's why they're so upset with Lorca as he's undermining the narrative and treating her as another victim because he KNOWS the Klingons really are a bunch of fanatics....or at least this group fo them.
Yup, that was the big mistake.
Murder of who? T'Kuvma? He's an enemy combatant at that point.
Yes, but she had him captured and chose to execute him.
She was twenty feet away on a ship full of Klingons. Not sure I'd define that as "captured".
Mind you, you could make a good argument she's guilty of murder.
But not mutiny.
she's still guilty of attempted mutiny, whether it led anywhere or not.
Yeah, but with mitigating factors. Drum her out of the service and maybe four or five years doing hard time--with something like Lorca's service for knocking time off her sentence.
He had just fatally stabbed her CO, if that's not grounds to kill someone in self-defence, what the hell is?
You aren't wrong but she killed him out of rage, not self defense. I mean had she done it in self defense I'd get it but she didn't.
I dunno, neck pinching your captain into unconsciousness?
Yeah I think a life sentence for mutiny and knocking your captain unconscious on the doorstep to an event where war started isn't senseless. Agree with it or disagree with it, makes no sense? Based on what? In our culture you may get the death penalty. In a future and somewhat more civilized culture?
Life is very plausible.
My issue with Starfleet is primarily choosing to blame the character for the war and being upset when Lorca commutes her sentence for vital service during wartime.
Yes, I think the sentence was overly harsh but I'm not arguing she has any business in command as clearly she does not (but probably will end up with it anyway). My issue is that Starfleet clearly seems more interested in the publicity around events than the actual events themselves.
It isn't plausible because that simply isn't how Starfleet has handled its business. We're talking about internal consistency. Lorca killed his own crew, yet was seemingly in command again a few weeks later. Burnham knocks out her captain, while obviously suffering from PTSD and is given a life sentence. Where were all of Starfleet's medical professionals?
Yeah there was certainly a bit of scapegoating going on.
I mean, that's not unexpected though. Gotta say if I was in their shoes I may make the same decision. The soldiers, ya know the average everyman, they are going to know that event, that day, and the one person who attempted to commandeer her ship from her captain. Appearances do matter, and sometimes you gotta keep up with them.
I don't know the specifics of the Lorca event, maybe there was an expectation in scuttling valuable secret technology, dunno any of that but yes I find it a fair bit suspect.
I do know the specifics of Burnham's event, and it isn't that I disagree that it isn't ok or fair. I agree with you, mitigating circumstances up the wazoo
But I think it makes sense considering the day and the event, for right or wrong I'm not surprised at all she got a life sentence. It makes sense to me that she did.
I think it's one of those things which should have been never publicized to begin with as you never know what will happen next such as, in this case, the mutineer we call the second coming of Judas turning out to be vital for our secret weapons program that will save us all.
I actually don't disagree with events as shown but I don't disagree with the fact Lorca is entirely within his rights to request a prisoner work off their sentence by providing valuable labor during wartime.
Starfleet objecting to that seems bizarre and whiny.
Mind you, she should be wearing the equivalent of a Starfleet Orange Jumpsuit but that's my only objection.
I think the depiction of the tribunal was a stylized abstraction from Michael's memories, since we only saw it in flashback.
Somebody compared the tribunal to this:
Kor
It also sounds like she made no attempt at all to defend herself at her trial, refused legal counsel, pleaded guilty and told Starfleet to do their worst. Which, ironically, was probably the only thing that saved her from a firing squad.
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