Starfleet Academy, the bottom half of graduates.

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by valkyrie013, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. Tim Thomason

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    I think "stun settings" are a little more dynamic than we realize. That, to properly stun, the weapon needs to judge the subject's mass and calculate how much power to achieve temporary blackout status.

    Earlier weaponry, like the plasma rifle or EM-33s, simple had power levels, and it was up to the individual to guess how much power would be necessary. The farmer or MACOs weren't all shooting to kill all the time, they just had to make due with simpler options.
     
  2. Discofan

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    Even today (in my country) nonlethal weapons are taking the place of formerly lethal ones among forces specialized in dealing with unruly crowds up to riots. In fact, the only people who died lately in the hands of specials forces are outward terrorists who were guilty of assaults that had cost the lives of several people. I can't believe that people in a so-called ideal future would be less enlightened than today's people in a much less than ideal present. If you can incapacitate an assailant, why would you need to kill them? Assuming you're not a barbarian that is...
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    Well, if you want to be that way, why did the security officers on the NX-01 kill all the Suliban they shot when the Suliban boarded to abduct Klaang? This combined with the way Reed emphasises the fact the phase pistols have a stun setting makes me inclined to believe the phase pistols were the first weapons to have both a kill and stun feature.

    Although this falls apart when you factor in that the EM-33s are later retconned to have a stun setting, but what's Trek without inconsistencies?
     
  4. c0rnedfr0g

    c0rnedfr0g Commodore Commodore

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    The very scene being discussed exemplifies exactly why gun rights are necessary.

    A better question would be why should Farmer Moore NOT have a gun?
     
  5. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    He had fields, not just a silo. The ship crashed in one. The Suliban were chasing the Klingon through the fields.
     
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  6. matthunter

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    Having observed weapons fire outside, the likelihood is that his thoughts were guarding his FAMILY, not the grain.
     
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  7. Discofan

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    How about go to the safe place and call the authorities?
     
  8. The Wormhole

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    Even in the 22nd century, the farm is probably in a remote region and it would likely still take time for the authorities to get there. Facts in the moment are, a ship crashed on the farm, the silo blew up, and there's an armed alien present. These are valid enough circumstances to believe you and anyone else present at the farm may be in danger, making shooting the alien in self defense a legitimate option.

    You'll note Farmer Moore wasn't arrested or charged with assault or attempted murder afterwards.
     
  9. Discofan

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    First, we don't know that.

    Second, people who live in gun lobby heaven shouldn't write fictions about so-called peaceful futures.
     
  10. The Wormhole

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    Considering the plan was to kill Klaang anyway before Archer intervened, I don't see why Farmer Moore would be arrested or charged.
     
  11. Discofan

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    That was the plan of the Vulcans. I hope they're not controlling the judicial system on Earth!! Are you implying that they are?