Based on a few pictures of the cast out of costume?
News Starfleet Academy Coming to P+
- Thread starter Tuskin38
- Start date
And you trip on PIC3 while trying.
Well I said POTENTIAL
Given the premise, the people involved, and I what I believe PARA wants to do with ST, I don't think it falling short of S31 is a long shot.
The small bit of images I saw today certainly didn't help.
It’s a premise almost as old as TrekWell I said POTENTIAL
Given the premise, the people involved, and I what I believe PARA wants to do with ST, I don't think it falling short of S31 is a long shot.
The small bit of images I saw today certainly didn't help.
Which people? Kurtzman? People he hired? Their past credits? I think that’s been covered
What does PARA want to do ST? Other than make money?
All the images I’ve seen are of cast members out of costume . That tells me nothing.
Maybe it'll blow. I just know that after the theatrical trailers for BEY made the film seem like the worst thing to ever have "Star Trek" emblazoned upon it and finding the actual movie was a fun and interesting romp I don't go on early cast photos or even the first trailer.
I've been misled before and by studio people who aren't great at promoting their new project, and even if the cast of this new series were photographed in clown makeup it wouldn't necessarily mean the show itself is a disaster.
I've been misled before and by studio people who aren't great at promoting their new project, and even if the cast of this new series were photographed in clown makeup it wouldn't necessarily mean the show itself is a disaster.
You guys don't get it. It's okay for men to be fat above a certain age, they've earned the right to put on weight, which actually helps enhance their aura of masculinity. Women, particularly women below a certain age
You know what, screw it. Even though it should be obvious to those who know me that I am joking, it's probably best not to post how that sentence would end, even in a comedic context.
The show is about college kids made by many of the same people who made Discovery. The odds I would say are against it being good but they have made some good casting choices with the adults. Who knows with the kids. I don't know if I have seen them anything else. It's also set in the Discovery far future which hasn't exactly been made into a interesting setting so far. But I guess we can all just have some Faith of the Heart and hope for the best. And if it fails then the lesson will be learned and then Master Matalas will finally be allowed to do what should already have been done!
I don't think that the people disparaging the premise of Starfleet Academy understand that Star Trek needs this ability to appeal to people of my generation and younger - an accessible invitation into the franchise to introduce its many great ideas and themes as well foster enthusiasm to check out other shows and movies they might not have been interested in otherwise - and build a fanbase to carry Star Trek forward.
Young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerant.
Or do you want Star Trek to die with you?
Young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerant.
Or do you want Star Trek to die with you?
Last edited:
Yes, some do.
I'd be more willing to go along with the idea that Star Trek needs a series set in a school to bring younger viewers into the franchise if I hadn't seen Young Sherlock Holmes and James Bond Jr. and Class and so on.
I guess Wicked is getting people into the Wizard of Oz franchise, so there's that.
I guess Wicked is getting people into the Wizard of Oz franchise, so there's that.
I don't care if it gets "the kids in to it".
It appeals to a kid wish of mine.
It appeals to a kid wish of mine.
Sort. Same EPs who are pretty much involved with all the Trek shows. (Two from each production company) Plus a new name (Loga Landau) exclusive to STSFA. A few have been involved with shows like the Handmaid's Tale and Vikings.
The one writer, we know of, Gaia Violo, isn't a Trek vet.
Trek can't make it on just new fans. It also has to appeal to old fans. The reasons SNW works is because it feels both old fashioned yet also modern at the same time. Now I am not sure a bunch Starfleet cadets acting like futuristic Gen Z will cut it if that is their main and only goal. You got to find that balance the way shows like "Stranger Things" and 'Cobra Kai" have done. Star Trek will never be cool. But it can appeal to older fans and young nerds if they do it right. Perhaps it's time for Trek to accept what it is and act it's age and stop trying to be that old guy at the dance club who is clearly to old to be doing what he is doing.
The problem with appealing to old fans is that it often devolves into nostalgia baiting which is not at all appealing to new fans. I like SNW for its story structure, mostly episodic and self-contained nature while also carrying through emotional beats and developments; not because it follows the Enterprise and I have all these TOS characters and other references waved in front of me. I would think that the idea of a Starfleet Academy show in and of itself would be alluring to old fans, as @fireproof78 says it would appeal to kid wishes.
Who says the cadets have to or will act like futuristic Gen Z'ers? They just have to be appealing and relatable enough for younger people to engage with. Even if they did behave like today's youth (preferably with a little sophistication thrown in) would that be so bad? TOS wasn't particularly stuffy and it was successful. Besides, the show follows cadets, a little more energy is welcome.
To borrow your analogy, I think Star Trek is the dance floor, the creatives the DJ and the audience the dancers. No one can hog the dance floor forever.
Last edited:
Nostalgia though gets people interested in something. I think the 3 big selling points for any show is
Nostalgia
Premise and setting
Talent involved. From showrunner to actors.
You then got to make something feel both old and new at the same time. A show like 'Stranger Things" is loved by Gen X because of the 80's and 80's movies setting. Plus the writing and acting is good. But it also appeals to young people, because of the kids and well old stuff is kind of in with young people as well.
Starfleet Academy's big selling points right now is the older actors. The setting is kind of a mixed bag. Talent beyond the older actors is not really selling point at this point.Got to cross fingers and hope that stuff is great. I do think since you have a young cast people are going to want it to be more action adventure based. Not sure people want to see teens talking about their feelings and getting into dating drama. It's probably smart that they say lots of stuff will happen off campus.
IMO their young characters also really need to be diverse and I am not just talking about race and gender. Each character should have a very unique personality like on SNW. Also you need at least one asshole character everyone loves. People love assholes. If SNW has one flaw is they lack a really good asshole. Granted he or she can be a asshole with a heart of gold but people want and need character conflict. Not a bunch of Discovery stuff were every scene has the characters taking about just how much they love and respect each other.
Nostalgia
Premise and setting
Talent involved. From showrunner to actors.
You then got to make something feel both old and new at the same time. A show like 'Stranger Things" is loved by Gen X because of the 80's and 80's movies setting. Plus the writing and acting is good. But it also appeals to young people, because of the kids and well old stuff is kind of in with young people as well.
Starfleet Academy's big selling points right now is the older actors. The setting is kind of a mixed bag. Talent beyond the older actors is not really selling point at this point.Got to cross fingers and hope that stuff is great. I do think since you have a young cast people are going to want it to be more action adventure based. Not sure people want to see teens talking about their feelings and getting into dating drama. It's probably smart that they say lots of stuff will happen off campus.
IMO their young characters also really need to be diverse and I am not just talking about race and gender. Each character should have a very unique personality like on SNW. Also you need at least one asshole character everyone loves. People love assholes. If SNW has one flaw is they lack a really good asshole. Granted he or she can be a asshole with a heart of gold but people want and need character conflict. Not a bunch of Discovery stuff were every scene has the characters taking about just how much they love and respect each other.
Holly Hunter, Paul Giamatti and Robert Picardo will get more than a few people to watch. The writing will determine if they stay.
They are a big sales pitch. Better hope though you don't get a situation were people are waiting for the young people to stop talking so the show can go back to the adults. Don't want a "90's Show situation were nobody liked the kids and people only cared about Red and Kitty and waiting to see if one of the old characters will show up, this episode.
They are, quite frankly, the only reason I have any interest in the show.
If I were to put a number on my interest level... before Hunter and Giamatti, my interest was about 5%. When they got signed aboard, it jumped to 10%. When Picardo signed on, it jumped to 20%.
Which is still the lowest interest I have ever had in a new, greenlit, and confirmed production of STAR TREK. Even SECTION 31 started off as being a higher interest because of Yeoh and that it would center on Section 31 and we might get a glimpse of the Lost Era, with a bit of Rachel Garrett added in.
My interest is actually fairly high, if only because this production team has shown that they are willing to learn from their mistakes.*
Discovery was a show full of many issues that forced it down to the near bottom of my list of favourite Trek series. But from that series we got Strange New Worlds. A series with none of those issues, that I view as one of the best Trek series ever made. They learned from their mistakes in their first attempt at a 23rd century series, figured out what worked and what didn't, and came back with a far superior product.
My hope is that Academy will be a similar course correction for the 32nd century. They'll look at what worked and what didn't work from Discovery's later seasons, and hopefully put out a better product. Hope springs eternal.
*Section 31 was clearly a step in the wrong direction, but I view that differently as it was a 10 episode season that was condensed down to a 90 minute movie. Hopefully, if there's future streaming films, they'll learn from the mistake that was Section 31.
Discovery was a show full of many issues that forced it down to the near bottom of my list of favourite Trek series. But from that series we got Strange New Worlds. A series with none of those issues, that I view as one of the best Trek series ever made. They learned from their mistakes in their first attempt at a 23rd century series, figured out what worked and what didn't, and came back with a far superior product.
My hope is that Academy will be a similar course correction for the 32nd century. They'll look at what worked and what didn't work from Discovery's later seasons, and hopefully put out a better product. Hope springs eternal.
*Section 31 was clearly a step in the wrong direction, but I view that differently as it was a 10 episode season that was condensed down to a 90 minute movie. Hopefully, if there's future streaming films, they'll learn from the mistake that was Section 31.
The people who made those shows aren’t working on this one, so that makes no sense
Similar threads
