The Wrath of Khan puts it in the 23rd century, the advertising for TMP did as well.
The ‘78’ Data mentions likely comes from TNG taking place 78 years after the original.
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The Wrath of Khan puts it in the 23rd century, the advertising for TMP did as well.
The ‘78’ Data mentions likely comes from TNG taking place 78 years after the original.
You stated that there were no specific dates in Star Trek until The Neutral Zone. You were incorrect. And the 1930 date is irrelevant, because it gives no hint as to the timing of when Star Trek takes place, unlike the 2378 date. We would know that Encounter at Farpoint takes place sometime after 2378, at least until that date was retconned.
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It also takes place after 1930. So what? They’re both irrelevant, because neither tells us the specific date of an episode or of a stardate. We weren’t talking about dates of past events. Data didn’t graduate during the season, so it doesn’t relate to the discussion. It was in regards to
Memory-Alpha says 2364 was the first on screen date; take it up with them.
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It gives us nothing.
It tells us that EaF takes place after 2378, until that date was retconned, as I mentioned before. You seem to be sore because this contradicts your hypothesis that there were no screen-mentioned dates in Star Trek before TNZ to determine when the show takes place. Get over it, it’s not that big a deal.
I was remembering from back in the 70s.
Likely.
Perhaps it was 78 years after the academy opened. Like, when I graduated in the 50th class at my alma mater. Math still doesn’t quite work, but It’s more likely than EaF being after 2378.
It contradicts MA, whom I was quoting. It’s not my hypothesis. Also, it does not give a specific date for the episode. It was also after 1930.
MA mentions the 2378 date, and that it was retconned later, as I keep repeating. Nevertheless, it was still an on-screen mentioned date that predates the 2364 date that could be used to determine when EaF and TNG in general took place.
Like anything else that is the hodge-podge of Trek, just go with what works for you.
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Kirk told Gillian in TVH that he was from the Late-23rd Century. "Okay, the truth. I am from what on your calendar would be the late-23rd Century... " At the end of the movie, Gillian tells him she has "300 years of catchup learning to do."
In "The Neutral Zone", Data says, "It is the year two-thousand three-hundred sixty-four." 2364 being 78 years after TVH being in the late-23rd Century checks out. And those two dates became the ones that Michael and Denise Okuda based everything else off of.
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I hate bringing up James Dixon but even he placed TOS in the 23rd Century. He placed the beginning of TOS in 2260 because, in "Miri", Spock said the planet resembled Earth "circa 1960" and it was said that "circa 1960" was "300 years ago". Spock was clearly rounding off about 1960 and people usually round off when talking about hundreds of years ago, so 2260 wasn't solid but that's not the point. The point is "Mr. I'm Obsessed With the Chronology!" also placed Star Trek in the 23rd Century. And he's about as extreme about this stuff as you can get.
Kirk told Gillian in TVH that he was from the Late-23rd Century. "Okay, the truth. I am from what on your calendar would be the late-23rd Century... " At the end of the movie, Gillian tells him she has "300 years of catchup learning to do."
In "The Neutral Zone", Data says, "It is the year two-thousand three-hundred sixty-four." 2364 being 78 years after TVH being in the late-23rd Century checks out. And those two dates became the ones that Michael and Denise Okuda based everything else off of.
I was a little kid and not yet a fan, during the time you're talking about. BUT, if I were older and had been a fan, I think hearing from Decker that Voyager 6 was launched "300 years ago" and then TWOK saying right upfront at the beginning with big, bold letters "In the 23rd Century... " would've solidified in my mind that Star Trek took place in the 23rd Century.
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I hate bringing up James Dixon but even he placed TOS in the 23rd Century. He placed the beginning of TOS in 2260 because, in "Miri", Spock said the planet resembled Earth "circa 1960" and it was said that "circa 1960" was "300 years ago". Spock was clearly rounding off about 1960 and people usually round off when talking about hundreds of years ago, so 2260 wasn't solid but that's not the point. The point is "Mr. I'm Obsessed With the Chronology!" also placed Star Trek in the 23rd Century. And he's about as extreme about this stuff as you can get.
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Which could not be used to determine anything.
I’m going from memories of the time that a lot of people thought it was earlier due to references in TOS. There were no movies back in the 70s; that’s “new Trek.” But speaking of Khan, he travelled from the late 20th century for “two centuries.” Which “should be just about right.” In fact, now we have to explain why Kirk was so far off with his dates. And the third century included 2201, anyway.
At this point I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall here, so I’m going to end this discussion with you.
Not exactly.
It only tells us that he graduated in a year ending in '78. Given that it took him at least another decade or so to be promoted to Commander, it's possible that he was originally intended to have graduated in 2278.
Original promos specified "78 years after the original adventures of Kirk..." so I doubt the intention was for it to be set as late as 2378.
Let’s do some math.
We know for a fact that TNG takes place in the 24th century, but we don’t know the exact year. Logically it would have to take place no earlier than January 1, 2301. So if Data graduated Starfleet Academy in 2278, his posting to the Enterprise-D would have been at least 23 years after that. There’s no way that could be accurate. Data’s unfamiliarity with humans would be nonexistent after 23 years serving with them.
Given the "78 years after..." comments in the original promos, I'd say no earlier than 2340ish unless TOS' dates are also derived from TNZ.
Well, funny you should say that, because when Data's timeline was formalised in Conundrum, he was identified as having been activated about thirty years prior and have attended Starfleet Academy from 2341 to 2345, so between twenty-one and twenty-five years prior to the episode and about nineteen to twenty-three years before we first met him.
OTOH, I do agree that it might have strained credibility if they had used "'78" for his graduating year once they established the 2360s timeframe of the show.
Math and fiction rarely mix well.
