Stardate calculators

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  1. Nike

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    Obviously they have different shifts but that doesn’t mean different clocks. Their clocks are always synchronized. How do you think the real life military works. They don’t sync watches because they’re on different time zones, but because their watches were not very accurate.

    You see crews from different vessels and Starfleet talking about specific stardates and it’s clear they don’t have different stardates.
     
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  2. KamenRiderBlade

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    I know they're synchronized, but IRL bases are located all over the world, operating on local time zones.

    You're correct, IRL they're syncing watches because they aren't that accurate and you want everybody to be very accurate and synchronized when on mission.

    But when you get to a operational theater, I wouldn't be surprised if they have to adjust to one standard Time Zone once they meet up for a major operation.

    Obviously they all use the same StarDate system.

    But just like everybody on Earth lives in a specific Time-Zone, there might be some variance on StarShips or StarBases where they are on Different Time-Zones based on when they launched.
     
  3. Nike

    Nike Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    It’s called Zulu.

    It sounds like we’re talking about two different things. Stardate is their Zulu time. Time zones are a different subject. Of course if you’re on a space station near a planet with 26 hours, you sleep on that schedule, but you don’t change the stardate.

    They make 2-faced watches IRL so people can keep track of local zones and Zulu at the same time.
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  4. kkt

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    and it took 336 years before the last major country adopted it.
     
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  6. Lord Garth

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    Just for the Hell of it...

    "Second Sight" (DS9) - Stardate 47329.4 --> Fourth Anniversary of Jennifer Sisko's death.
    "Emissary" (DS9) - Flashback to Stardate 43997 --> Jennifer Sisko dies.

    47329 minus 43997 equals 3,332.
    3,332 divided by 4 equals 833 stardates per year.

    "Homestead" (VOY) takes place on April 5th, 2378 on Stardate 54868.4.
    According to Data, "The Neutral Zone" (TNG) takes place supposedly in 2364 on Stardate 41986.0... but let's see.

    54868 minus 41986 equals 12,882.
    12,882 divided by 833 equals 15.46 years.

    Nope! Sorry! That would put "The Neutral Zone" in October 2362.

    I guess stardates progressing "unevenly from XX000 to XX999" means exactly that.
     
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  7. Lynx

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    I use this one for calculating Stardates.

    https://stevepugh.net/fleet/stardate.html

    It works fine for TNG, DS9 and VOY episodes.

    As for Homestead, they actually messed up the Stardate in that episodes since it's contrary to all the other calculated Stardates in that era. So I don't bother about Stardate calculators which are set for that episode. Not to mention that it's a crappy episode as well.
     
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  8. Nike

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  9. Tuskin38

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    Yeah, which is why the Lower Decks writers felt comfortable with also not following it.
     
  10. Dukhat

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    To be fair, during the first season of TNG, they hadn't yet nailed down the calendar date that the show took place in.
     
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    Maybe those fans who insist that Earth holds no special place in the Federation would like to voice in as to why the Stardate system is based on Earth's year.

    For political reasons the Stardate system would deliberately be based on a year that wasn't the year of any of the Federation's member at the time the system was established. There really isn't anything significant with the number 365.
     
  12. JonnyQuest037

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    Don't be silly. Stardates in the Mirror Universe are Unknown. ;)

     
  13. KamenRiderBlade

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    Why should StarDates exist in the Mirror Universe?

    Wouldn't it be like Imperial Calender or Imperial Date?
     
  14. Nike

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    The year 2364 is given by Data on screen in "The Neutral Zone", and is the first specific on-screen date given in Star Trek.

    The previous time they defrosted people from the 20th century, they said it was “two centuries,” which would have been around 2200, but now we’re saying it was 2265. No wonder stardates make little sense.
     
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  15. Unionized Elf

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    It's a generic enough term, why wouldn't it exist? The Federation isn't the only organization to call their calendar system "stardates." We know from Enterprise the Xindi also do.

    IMO, it was silliness when the alternate timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise used "combat date" as opposed to "stardate" or that it was a "Military Log" as opposed to "Captain's Log." But then they were just bludgeoning the fact to the audience that this timeline is different than the normal one.
     
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    I notice that nobody is using stardates based on Discovery which are in the 865000s. Given that there will be episodes of two series from the 32nd century airing in the future, and SNW is pretty random, these may become the predominant form of stardates. So I added it to my converter. To get stardates in the 865000s, I have to count from year 1158 CE.

    But so far, there have only been three examples, so we might not see them a lot on Discovery, and Starfleet Academy won’t likely be ship based. And by the time we see more, they might be in the 867000s.

    It was simpler when we had just three series, overlapping with contiguous stardates. First we had to adjust from 4 to 5 digits, and then nothing for years, except Kelvin stardates. Now we have multiple series in different time zones. Should I make systems for the animated series, too?

    I’m hoping that we’ll get Legacy, and it’ll be contiguous with Picard in the 25th century.

    Code:
    Type                Stardate        Epoch
    25th century:       78891.43    1945 January 1
    TrekGuide:          77356.29    1946 July 15
    Schmidt:          -299108.42    2323 January 1
    Pugh:             -300890.99    2323 January 1
    Star Trek Online:  101497.06    1922 May 25
    Mod. Julian Date:   60270.43    1858 November 21
    Kelvin Timeline:    2023.326       1 January 1
    Google/Main:    [-26]7767.13    2162 January 4
    32nd Century:      865891.58    1158 January 1
    
     
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  17. Dukhat

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    Nope. In "Encounter at Farpoint" Data states that his Academy graduating class was the class of ''78" (presumably 2378), which is obviously inconsistent with the later date given in "The Neutral Zone" of 2364.
     
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    Given that it was Data, and he seemed awkward around humans, it may have just been some internal dating.

    That’s my story… :shifty:

    Out of universe? They hadn’t precisely dated TOS yet, and they may have been toying with it being on the precipice of the 24th century.
     
  19. Nike

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    That’s a past date, not a current one. Even if it made sense, it wouldn’t tell us the year of the episode. There were other references to past dates before that.

    It was ‘78 (sic) but it is 2364.

    Just like it was 1930 when Edith died.
     
  20. Nike

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    I think most of us put TOS in the 22nd century before TNG aired. Then it got retconned.