Starbase 01

[Brainsucker]

Don't you feel that it weird, because Starbase 01 is already exist since the 23rd century Star Trek. But strangely it always absent whenever Earth was invaded by the enemies prior Star Trek Picard season 3, but actually it is a very powerful fortress that is very hard to beat, with even the entire Starfleet Armada.

What do you think about it, in universe excuse.

 

[fireproof78]

Before it wasn't robust enough.

Post Dominion War led to improving that function, and the Mars attack removed the Mars defense grid so it was further augmented.

 

[The Wormhole]

It's Starbase 1. We're not in the Kelvin Timeline.

 

[Dukhat]

but actually it is a very powerful fortress that is very hard to beat, with even the entire Starfleet Armada.

When was that ever shown or stated?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Weird how Starbase 1 here is way smaller and less impressive than Starbase 1 from Strange New Worlds (although the SNW one doesn't do the magic planet shield thing, as it isn't in Earth orbit)

 

[Mage]

When was that ever shown or stated?

Picard Season 3, episode 10. It seems it is actually vital for a planetary shield that goes down when it heavily damaged. And to get it that damaged it took god knows how many Starfleet ships.
It was literally on screen.

 

[Dukhat]

Picard Season 3, episode 10. It seems it is actually vital for a planetary shield that goes down when it heavily damaged. And to get it that damaged it took god knows how many Starfleet ships.
It was literally on screen.

I’m confused. Was that space station in orbit of Earth the same structure as the Starbase 1 from SNW around Jupiter? Because they looked completely diffferent.

 

[Brainsucker]

Weird how Starbase 1 here is way smaller and less impressive than Starbase 1 from Strange New Worlds (although the SNW one doesn't do the magic planet shield thing, as it isn't in Earth orbit)

In another 23rd Century Star Trek show (I think it was the movies), it was even smaller than in Picard S3 and SNW version. The point is that Starfleet always have a giant space structure that stay inside Solar System. But it always absent whenever Earth was in danger, except for Picard season 3. Well, from Star Trek TNG season 3 when the Borg first appear, then Star Trek First contact, Discovery season 1, etc.

Even if Starbase 1 doesn't has the planet shield thing prior Picard S3, but I doubt that it is weaker than DS9. So if DS9 can mount 5000 Photon Torpedo, I believe that Starbase 1 has more. And if DS9 has strong shield that capable to stand against the Klingon Armada in DS9 series, I'm believe that Starbase 1 is better.

So why Starbase 1 always absent in the war that decide the Earth fate? We all know the off screen reason. The directors wants the Enterprise to be the hero.who save Earth. But what about the in universe reason?

 

[Brainsucker]

I’m confused. Was that space station in orbit of Earth the same structure as the Starbase 1 from DSC? Because they looked completely diffferent.

They are different, but has the same name, I guess. Like USS Enterprise. We have several Enterprise in Star Trek, but all of them are different ship from different era. So I'm sure that every Starbase in orbit of Earth are called Starbase 1. but correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Mage]

I’m confused. Was that space station in orbit of Earth the same structure as the Starbase 1 from DSC? Because they looked completely diffferent.

I think it was supposed to be.....
But damn, now I'm doubting that. I always thought Spacedock and Starbase 1 were the same. But ofcourse it isn't.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/6/6f/Romulan_Neutral_Zone_star_chart%2C_2259.png/revision/latest?cb=20220709140646&path-prefix=en

According to this image, Starbase 1 is NOT located in the Sol System. But Starbase 1 as seen in SNW is orbiting Jupiter, according to Memory Alpha. It wouldn't make sense to have to huge facilities like that in one solar system, right? Then again, we don't know if there IS a Spacedock in SNW.

ETA: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Spacedock_One
So it seems Spacedock One WAS being built during 2257, meaning both a huge Spacedock AND Starbase 1 were in SOL System at some point?

There's also this: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Sol_Station

 

[Dukhat]

So, which structure was the OP referring to?

 

[David cgc]

So it seems Spacedock One WAS being built during 2257, meaning both a huge Spacedock AND Starbase 1 were in SOL System at some point?

Yes, and then between TUC and PIC, Spacedock was replaced by the even bigger PIC version.

There are probably several stations that size scattered around the solar system. There are the dumbbell-shaped ones in orbit of Mars as part of the shipyards (which probably also include at least one Spacedock-style station, based on "Booby Trap" where the under-construction Enterprise-D seemed to be inside one), and Jupiter Station, and those are just the ones we know about.

As for OP, well, how many times did an attack on Earth actually make it to a siege before now? In TMP and TVH, everything in orbit was shut down by the attacker, in BoBW and FC, the Borg were destroyed before they actually began attacking Earth. We never actually saw what happened with the Breen attack in DS9, so there's no way to tell what role Spacedock did or didn't play in the defense.

 

[Mage]

So, which structure was the OP referring to?

I think, because he/she/they refer to a huge armada taking it down in Picard, it's the last one I mentioned. I edited my post while you were replying, not sure if you saw that.

 

[Dukhat]

I think, because he/she/they refer to a huge armada taking it down in Picard, it's the last one I mentioned. I edited my post while you were replying, not sure if you saw that.

I guess my question is, was the space station orbiting Earth that was attacked and almost destroyed by the Frontier Day fleet in PIC (but then miraculously restored later) referred to on-screen as Starbase 1? Because the only Starbase 1 I remember seeing on screen was the one from DSC/SNW which isn't the same structure as that PIC space station.

 

[Brainsucker]

So, which structure was the OP referring to?

After reading Mage's post, it is Spacedock one.

 

[Brainsucker]

Yes, and then between TUC and PIC, Spacedock was replaced by the even bigger PIC version.

There are probably several stations that size scattered around the solar system. There are the dumbbell-shaped ones in orbit of Mars as part of the shipyards (which probably also include at least one Spacedock-style station, based on "Booby Trap" where the under-construction Enterprise-D seemed to be inside one), and Jupiter Station, and those are just the ones we know about.

As for OP, well, how many times did an attack on Earth actually make it to a siege before now? In TMP and TVH, everything in orbit was shut down by the attacker, in BoBW and FC, the Borg were destroyed before they actually began attacking Earth. We never actually saw what happened with the Breen attack in DS9, so there's no way to tell what role Spacedock did or didn't play in the defense.

In BoBW and FC, the Borg already arrive on Earth orbit. Or at least near Earth Orbit. Because the Earth is already seen as big as when you're in the orbit. And that's weird, because Spacedock one supposed to be there.

But after I thinking again about this, it doesn't matter whatever it is Starbase 1 or Spacedock one. The point is that there is a giant space station on Earth orbit, that supposed to be powerful. Or at least more powerful than DS9. But it always absent when Earth is in danger. In contrary to this Spacedock / station, DS9 always present when the area / wormhole / Bajor is in danger.

 

[fireproof78]

Or at least more powerful than DS9. But it always absent when Earth is in danger. In contrary to this Spacedock / station, DS9 always present when the area / wormhole / Bajor is in danger.

One is the main setting of the show.

The other is not.

 

[Mage]

I guess my question is, was the space station orbiting Earth that was attacked and almost destroyed by the Frontier Day fleet in PIC (but then miraculously restored later) referred to on-screen as Starbase 1? Because the only Starbase 1 I remember seeing on screen was the one from DSC/SNW which isn't the same structure as that PIC space station.

See, right now I want to say yes, but that's because I think I tricked my brain into believing that.
Which would require a full rewatch of Season 3. Which I don't mind. But I also only have four more days untill work starts again and I'd like to watch things I haven't seen before.

Which usually ends in me binging stuff I love. I might have an answer in a few days.

 

[Brainsucker]

One is the main setting of the show.

The other is not.

Well, I know. But what about the in universe excuse?

 

[fireproof78]

Well, I know. But what about the in universe excuse?

Neutralized usually by the time our heroes get there.