Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

[Gingerbread Demon]

I always wondered how Han, Leia, and Chewie were able to walk out into the Space Worm's mouth with just that little mask and connecting gadget, while the rest of their body is exposed to the void of space.

And how they literally entered the hole in the asteroid that ran up its bum. That was convenient..

edit:

This off reddit take this with a huge jar of salt. But I wouldn't at all be surprised if there was studio meddling.

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltiertha...14fb663ac0&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=eisnd8

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

So they defeated the Final Order.
I guess the First Order is still a thing

 

[JoeZhang]

And how they literally entered the hole in the asteroid that ran up its bum. That was convenient..

edit:

This off reddit take this with a huge jar of salt. But I wouldn't at all be surprised if there was studio meddling.

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltiertha...14fb663ac0&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=eisnd8

Even a cursory glance indicates it is conspiracy theory nonsense - that stuff about investors and shareholders represents how fanboys think businesses work not how businesses work.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Even a cursory glance indicates it is conspiracy theory nonsense - that stuff about investors and shareholders represents how fanboys think businesses work not how businesses work.

OK then it's a huge pile of bullshit....

But why does the film feel so disjointed unless there was some meddling during production? For me it wasn't a SW film and I couldn't stop and give it my full attention, I felt distracted all the time and yet I sat through the last 2 movies without a problem.

 

[JoeZhang]

OK then it's a huge pile of bullshit....

But why does the film feel so disjointed unless there was some meddling during production?

Because it might be a badly made film with too much meddling behind the scenes? That can occur without really bizarre childish conspiracy theories - that is just normal for Hollywood.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Because it might be a badly made film with too much meddling behind the scenes? That can occur without really bizarre childish conspiracy theories - that is just normal for Hollywood.

That's very true. I'll say there was meddling but by who? Was it the studio and why?

 

[Campe]

There’s almost always studio meddling in big franchise films. I’m sure TRoS was no different. And perhaps some of that happened. HOWEVER, it reads like bad fanfic conspiracy theory.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

There’s almost always studio meddling in big franchise films. I’m sure TRoS was no different. And perhaps some of that happened. HOWEVER, it reads like bad fanfic conspiracy theory.

It does seem like the "meddling" is merely the normal collaborative process that occurs with any film. I am definitely reminded of how in Fifty Year Mission and What We Left Behind, both Berman and Behr severely downplay the disagreements they had and insist that they were few and far between.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

There’s almost always studio meddling in big franchise films. I’m sure TRoS was no different. And perhaps some of that happened. HOWEVER, it reads like bad fanfic conspiracy theory.

So did Doomcock and ME talking about the leaks before the film came out. Yet.. I think ALL the leaks were true.

 

[Campe]

It does seem like the "meddling" is merely the normal collaborative process that occurs with any film. I am definitely reminded of how in Fifty Year Mission and What We Left Behind, both Berman and Behr severely downplay the disagreements they had and insist that they were few and far between.

That's probably a fair distinction. These things do tend to get blown out of proportion.

So did Doomcock and ME talking about the leaks before the film came out. Yet.. I think ALL the leaks were true.

We're not discussing plot spoilers. We're discussing behind the scenes (gasp!) DRAMA(!!!) First, as has been suggested previously, while what you're saying is technically accurate, neither of these individuals broke these spoilers, simply reported them. A lot of people did that. So, they're not doing anything new. Second, on the issue of behind the scenes stuff, the people you have mentioned have also suggested on numerous occasions that Kathleen Kennedy and Alex Kurtzman had been fired. But as of today, Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 10:08am CST, both have their jobs. So, you'll understand if I take any of their information about BTS rumblings with a grain of salt. No a whole salt shaker. Actually, one of those big bags of water softener salt.

 

[fireproof78]

Actually, one of those big bags of water softener salt.

Still too small.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

That's probably a fair distinction. These things do tend to get blown out of proportion.



We're not discussing plot spoilers. We're discussing behind the scenes (gasp!) DRAMA(!!!) First, as has been suggested previously, while what you're saying is technically accurate, neither of these individuals broke these spoilers, simply reported them. A lot of people did that. So, they're not doing anything new. Second, on the issue of behind the scenes stuff, the people you have mentioned have also suggested on numerous occasions that Kathleen Kennedy and Alex Kurtzman had been fired. But as of today, Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 10:08am CST, both have their jobs. So, you'll understand if I take any of their information about BTS rumblings with a grain of salt. No a whole salt shaker. Actually, one of those big bags of water softener salt.

all I'm saying is that plot point leaks and BTS drama all come from the same place. Just because you want to believe it's all conspiracy writing, doesn't mean it is.

 

[fireproof78]

Their credibility is shot. No reason to take them seriously.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Their credibility is shot. No reason to take them seriously.

except for the fact that the leaks were accurate

 

[Campe]

all I'm saying is that plot point leaks and BTS drama all come from the same place. Just because you want to believe it's all conspiracy writing, doesn't mean it is.

Did I say it was all conspiracy writing? I suggested that some of it might be true. This is a game of telephone. Someone restated something from someone who heard from someone else that knows JJ all of this dramatic stuff behind the scenes. Personal bias can get in the way of reporting when you are this far down the line.

 

[Campe]

Still too small.

Salt flat?

 

[fireproof78]

except for the fact that the leaks were accurate

Doesn't change their history of misinformation. No credibility, no reason to take them seriously.

Peddle the conspiracy theory channels to someone else.

 

[Campe]

Doesn't change their history of misinformation. No credibility, no reason to take them seriously.

Peddle the conspiracy theory channels to someone else.

We don't even know if the source that these two are utilizing for this BTS DRAMA! is the same as the one with the leaks. My guess is its not. So, yeah, while there may have been some creative differences behind the scenes of TRoS that led to some issues with the final product of the movie, and someone might have picked up on that, I have a hard time with a lot of what is reported in that link and certainly anything at all from Doomcock and ME.

I again point to Kennedy and Kurtzman's employment status, along with the supposed cancellations of Star Trek: Discovery, Star Trek: Picard and Doctor Who.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I again point to Kennedy and Kurtzman's employment status, along with the supposed cancellations of Star Trek: Discovery, Star Trek: Picard and Doctor Who.

Both gainfully employed. But how much of their voices are really being heard. I mean ever notice Iger is doing more interviews about SW while KK hasn't been seen or heard from since Solo until like the night of the 9 premier? Or that there is TONS of drama still happening at Trek and Kurtzman is still there at least until it all shakes itself loose

 

[fireproof78]

We don't even know if the source that these two are utilizing for this BTS DRAMA! is the same as the one with the leaks. My guess is its not. So, yeah, while there may have been some creative differences behind the scenes of TRoS that led to some issues with the final product of the movie, and someone might have picked up on that, I have a hard time with a lot of what is reported in that link and certainly anything at all from Doomcock and ME.

I again point to Kennedy and Kurtzman's employment status, along with the supposed cancellations of Star Trek: Discovery, Star Trek: Picard and Doctor Who.

That makes it even more difficult, yes. They cite anonymous sources and claim to be in the know. And their claims are dubious, at best, which makes things very difficult for me to accept.

I'm sure I sound very dismissive. But, they have not proven to be actors of good faith or information.

Both gainfully employed. But how much of their voices are really being heard. I mean ever notice Iger is doing more interviews about SW while KK hasn't been seen or heard from since Solo until like the night of the 9 premier? Or that there is TONS of drama still happening at Trek and Kurtzman is still there at least until it all shakes itself loose

And that's conspiracy theory level speculation. That's why I don't take it seriously.