Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

[Gingerbread Demon]

Hey little bit of side topic... I figured out how Maz gut Luke's light saber.

She was on Bespin during ESB and it fell almost to her feet from cloud city . She was on the planet's surface scavenging stuff.

 

[Kor]

Hey little bit of side topic... I figured out how Maz gut Luke's light saber.

She was on Bespin during ESB and it fell almost to her feet from cloud city . She was on the planet's surface scavenging stuff.

I always thought Bespin was a gas giant.

Kor

 

[John Clark]

Perhaps she was pirating Tibana gas in a ship?

 

[BillJ]

Hey little bit of side topic... I figured out how Maz gut Luke's light saber.

She was on Bespin during ESB and it fell almost to her feet from cloud city . She was on the planet's surface scavenging stuff.

I always figured she just bought it cheap at Darth Vader's estate sale.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

This is sad. Because what is being said about Finn, is being said by racists

I will stop you right there. I am half black, so you (and anyone who agrees with your woefully incorrect accusation) can take that particular pile of insulting, outrageous crap elsewhere. My view of Finn is based on what was apparent in the character, the negative realities of race in entertainment that still exist, history and other factors many on this board will never understand. That explains the breathless defense of a character who was and ever shall be a modem day minstrel lacking any dignity / purpose / identity as a black male character in this second decade of the 21st century.

 

[BillJ]

I will stop you there. I am half black, so you (and anyone who agrees with your woefully incorrect theory) can take that particular pile of it elsewhere.

Being half-black doesn't stop one from having biases.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Being half-black doesn't stop one from having biases.

You are filled with crap. You just called me a racist for my assessment of Finn, when 1) Being half-black means not only do I live the black experience (which you obviously cannot comprehend, as evidenced by your quote in relation to Finn) but know racist stereotypes when they are created, or black characters are marginalized / tokenized (as I've said of the James Olsen on Supergirl), yet recognize black characters treated with respect (whether hero or villain as seen in Black Lightning). 2) No one who actually understands the black experience with race, racism and its continued negative application in entertainment would ever misinterpret my analysis as that.

Whatever you think you're doing is again--filling you with crap. You're practicing a kind of white (I assume) liberal, arrogant soapboxing that dares to speak for everyone as if they are in any position to do so from that "we know best" tower, or can dismiss their unique perspective all to protect the glaring kinds of messaging in a Star Wars movie.

 

[BillJ]

You're practicing a kind of white (I assume) liberal, arrogant soapboxing that dares to speak for everyone...

Where am I speaking for everyone? I speak only for myself. I saw Finn as a heroic character, every bit on par with Rey, Poe and everyone else.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

You are dodging the essential issue: you calling me (and my analysis) racist when that's absurd in the extreme. Speaking for everyone comes in the form of "we know best" white liberal judgement (that stems from a position of subconsciously believing one to be part of a "correct" collective in society) about who I am. You assumed I was fully white and never once stopped to think that such an analysis comes from life experience/knowledge/history of a black person, which informed my analysis. It is clear that you did not care to even consider that in your rush to condemn someone as something I doubt you fully understand, all to defend this movie.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

All Finn was doing was panting, sweating and running. There was no depth to his story at all--no psychological plight of being taken as a child, and because he was a sweat-drenched stereotype sanitation worker who moonlighted as a stormtrooper, there was no way for Finn to act as one who has committed too many crimes as a trooper. He never admits to having a past as a kidnapped child / raised killer because he did not have one, so that too robbed him of a justifiable place from which he could make changes to his life and impact the world around him. He was running like a coward with no substance and no identity.--just as the SW-PTB wanted him to be.

I watched these movies the other night and I just can't see this cowardly buffoon character you present. I think there's legitimate debate about the handling of the character which might be enlightening but I think you go too far trying to present the character as equivalent to Jar Jar.

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[BillJ]

I watched these movies the other night and I just can't see this cowardly buffoon character you present. I think there's legitimate debate about the handling of the character which might be enlightening but I think you go too far trying to present the character as equivalent to Jar Jar.

Exactly. Yes, there are areas where he could've been fleshed out more. But, a buffoon? I call bullshit on that comparison.

 

[kirk55555]

You'll have to explain it's greatness to me. I just don't see it. I was bored, struggling to keep myself from falling asleep.

If you don't like it, you don't like it. I'm beyond burned out by people not liking the Sequel Trilogy right now anyway, and besides which I dislike enough popular movies myself to not care if someone likes or dislikes a movie I enjoy or dislike.

In the end, I really enjoyed watching the movie, and left the theater more then satisfied. I'm sorry that some people didn't enjoy it, but just like with the "backlash" to TLJ, some people not liking the new Star Wars movie doesn't effect the fact that I enjoyed it a lot. I don't need to justify enjoying the movie, and I don't have the energy or desire to try to convince people they should like it, that's a fool's errand at the best of times.

All I know is that I was glued to the screen, and overall I consider all the Disney SW movies (except Solo) to be really good.

 

[Smellmet]

You are filled with crap. You just called me a racist for my assessment of Finn, when 1) Being half-black means not only do I live the black experience (which you obviously cannot comprehend, as evidenced by your quote in relation to Finn) but know racist stereotypes when they are created, or black characters are marginalized / tokenized (as I've said of the James Olsen on Supergirl), yet recognize black characters treated with respect (whether hero or villain as seen in Black Lightning). 2) No one who actually understands the black experience with race, racism and its continued negative application in entertainment would ever misinterpret my analysis as that.

Whatever you think you're doing is again--filling you with crap. You're practicing a kind of white (I assume) liberal, arrogant soapboxing that dares to speak for everyone as if they are in any position to do so from that "we know best" tower, or can dismiss their unique perspective all to protect the glaring kinds of messaging in a Star Wars movie.

Nah.

These films went OUT OF THEIR WAY to have a diverse cast. Are you seriously suggesting that they decided to portray Finn as some sort of 'minstrel' as you've put it after going to the trouble they did?

Finn has plenty of comedy moments, but so do the other cast members.

The casting and portrayal of Finn is NOT racist, and neither are king Bob's comments.

 

[fireproof78]

If you don't like it, you don't like it. I'm beyond burned out by people not liking the Sequel Trilogy right now anyway

Exactly.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Hey little bit of side topic... I figured out how Maz gut Luke's light saber.

She was on Bespin during ESB and it fell almost to her feet from cloud city . She was on the planet's surface scavenging stuff.

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[TREK_GOD_1]

I watched these movies the other night and I just can't see this cowardly buffoon character you present.

So you can't. That does not mean the character is not exactly as I've described him.

I think there's legitimate debate about the handling of the character which might be enlightening but I think you go too far trying to present the character as equivalent to Jar Jar.

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You go too far in thinking fight scenes and that nonsense with Rose erase the heart of the character as a Black Buffoon stereotype--which has nothing to do with the creation/presentation of a CG rabbit/lizard/man. Nothing at all.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I always thought Bespin was a gas giant.

It is.

Although perhaps Maz was actually on Cloud City (for whatever reason) and that's how she got it.

 

[Tuvix5675]

If you don't like it, you don't like it. I'm beyond burned out by people not liking the Sequel Trilogy right now anyway, and besides which I dislike enough popular movies myself to not care if someone likes or dislikes a movie I enjoy or dislike.

In the end, I really enjoyed watching the movie, and left the theater more then satisfied. I'm sorry that some people didn't enjoy it, but just like with the "backlash" to TLJ, some people not liking the new Star Wars movie doesn't effect the fact that I enjoyed it a lot. I don't need to justify enjoying the movie, and I don't have the energy or desire to try to convince people they should like it, that's a fool's errand at the best of times.

All I know is that I was glued to the screen, and overall I consider all the Disney SW movies (except Solo) to be really good.

That's such a cop-out. It's great, but you can't explain why? Enjoying something doesn't make it great.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

So you can't. That does not mean the character is not exactly as I've described him.

You forgot to add "I have spoken.".

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Nah.

These films went OUT OF THEIR WAY to have a diverse cast

So-called "diversity" means nothing when one is either a tokenized chess piece for "flavor"/checking off boxes (as I've said about James Olsen on Supergirl as opposed to the rich character development on Black Lightning), or the essence of the subject of this diversity (Finn) is played as a 1930s racial caricature. I do not expect you to see or understand that, but that is Finn. The Old Hollywood racial stereotype of a black man in a socially subservient position (he worked in sanitation while apparently moonlighting as a trooper with no experience that could have been used as a partial springboard for his guilt over killing and how the FO likely used troops to kidnap him/harm his family/strip him of his identity, etc....but nope) and is always running in a state of panting panic. That's how the SW-PTB introduced a new black male character into the SW film franchise.

Finn has plenty of comedy moments, but so do the other cast members.

Rey? Hardly. She was created to be nearly flawless and often morose, so she as a source of comedy could not work; what humor there was happened to be centered on her reactions to--you guessed it--Finn.

Poe? Aside from barely being developed at all, the SW-PTB could not decide if they wanted to make him some Devil-may-care, surrogate/NextGen Han and someone who was supposed to be more responsible, given his position, but he still walked away from the ST with not an ounce of the buffoon anvil-ed on his head like Finn.

The casting and portrayal of Finn is NOT racist, and neither are king Bob's comments.

Yes, they are. You can argue/deny that until the end of time, but King Bob made assumptions about a character's presentation based on subjects he knows nothing about, and attacked someone he assumed was white to support his offensive statements. When he was corrected, he continued with yet another racist, foolish statement in the wake of everything posted. .