Ooor, but hear me out on this one, do the hammiest Ian McD headlined episode 6.66 that lays out how a Sheev clone / spirit placeholder pulled off what we saw in IX.
Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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Ooor, but hear me out on this one, do the hammiest Ian McD headlined episode 6.66 that lays out how a Sheev clone / spirit placeholder pulled off what we saw in IX.
About to see it for the second time.
People have good reasons to not like movies. I didn't think that was up for debate but apparently requires clarification...?
I mean, I can't stand ROTS as a film, nor Fight Club. Both are films that my friends love. I guess I don't see the trend of thinking people don't have good reasons to not like, well, any movie, really.
Just read through the ‘Last Jedi - Widely Hated’ thread. Or plenty of comments on here about ‘fans just wanting to hate on things these days’.
I love when folks dissect a film. It can alert me to things I might have missed. Which is why I gave The Rise of Skywalker a provisional 'A-'. Who knows what I will think when I take a second crack at it at home. I appreciated The Last Jedi more with additional viewings (though Canto Bight still needed more time in the writer's room), movies out there that I've appreciated less, like Star Trek: First Contact.
To be honest, a lot of time the well gets poisoned. People tossing around "SJW's!!!", "Kathleen Kennedy SUCKS!!!" and "Rey is a Mary Sue", ends up frustrating even people who want to actually discuss the merits of the films.
Oh, I get that emotion too-I even share it sometimes. Even though people are definitely going to feel what they feel I am just wanting to hear an explanation, and sometimes it comes across as just never going to be satisfied, no matter what. And that might be more generalizing but that's the challenge for me.
What I think it comes down to is articulation, and reasons that people don't like a film. I don't get the whole "hate" thing...to me, hating a film is a waste of emotional energy. But, that's me.
Edit: Ninja'd. @King Bob! put it better.
I agree with that completely, but I think it also colors the way people see the movie's detractors. It becomes easy to label the majority of people who didn't like these films as the same anti-SJW people who are only following along with the diatribes of YouTube.
You're right. Unfortunately, people like @Flying Spaghetti Monster yell so loud and so often about Kathleen Kennedy and her feminist agenda, people who want to discuss what they actually think are problems get drowned out.
Yes, that's why it feels like people just not enjoying things any more.
Because it has become so tribal.
Thing is, most people don't really 'hate' them. If I'm talking to someone and they say they 'hate The Last Jedi', I know they mean they hate it compared against other movies instead of in the same way they might hate Nazis or Global Warming. I think the vast majority of people who 'hate' any Star Wars movie don't put that much emotion into it. I'd say I hate ROTS, but I'm not working myself into a rage every time I think about it.
I'm working on understanding it, but I grew up with such a fixed definition of the word that it's cavalier use in contemporary colloquialism grates at me.
So it probably carries more emotion to me than actually is present.
But then again, The Mandalorian seems to have been a huge hit, even among fans who hate everything else Disney has done with Star Wars. I know it can feellike people aren't enjoying things as much, but I think people are actually more ready to enjoy them than ever.
But there are people who get into a lather over it, and they're all over YouTube and places like this, spreading venom because a current movie doesn't match a forty-plus year old movie that they saw in childhood.
I always think of it like that scene in 12 Angry Men where one juror tricks another into saying 'I'll kill you' and then makes him admit he didn't actually mean it.
Let Mando take off the helmet and there be a woman under there, then watch the fireworks!
There certainly are. I don't want to deny that at all. I just think a lot of the time their warped viewpoint is used to excuse the opinions of the far larger portion of the movie's detractors than realistically shares their views. And it's also just one side of the coin. You also have a ton of people on YouTube waxing on about how ROTS is actually a misunderstood masterpiece.
Makes me hopeful for when people will do that with the ST...one can dream, anyway.
Let Mando take off the helmet and there be a woman under there, then watch the fireworks!
Well, maybe. Definitely among some members of the fandom, but I don't think as many viewers would be bothered as you think if they like the series overall.
I like the movie, but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece. Highly entertaining, highly derivative of what came before. Abrams knows how to push the nostalgia buttons. But, God damn, it is fun.
Looking at the film, I think my biggest problem is the redemption of Ben Solo, it seems a little too pat for my liking. It is a criticism I also have of Vader's story. These folks were monsters, and one good deed and they seemingly become Force angels.
That's the problem though. The loudest people are the ones who end up getting the most attention, from everyone. They are the ones that poison the well.
