Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

[fireproof78]

Just what about the Skywalker saga needed completing?

Nothing. No books, no films, no nothing. Tell the story of the Rebellion like in Rogue One and Solo. You know-things people give a crap about. Give me stories like in the video games, but no more films.

The PT was bad enough. The ST was better but no where near necessary.

I say this as a SW fan since I was 8.

 

[plynch]

Maybe because George said there were gonna be 9 originally? Of course the money motive can't be discounted.

Not trying to be contentious. I thought Rougue 1 was kind of predictable, like a WWII "squad/mission" movie. Just saw 1/2 of Solo on cable over Labor Day, and it seemed pretty good. I don't know what'll happen other than that he survives!

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe because George said there were gonna be 9 originally? Of course the money motive can't be discounted.

George couldn't make up his freaking mind over what he wanted. He retold the story so often I doubt he remembers.

Personally, if (big if) they were going to do an ST they should have gone with Lucas' original idea before ROTJ tied everything up so nice and neatly. After ROTJ it was just painful to try and keep up with the supposed "next step" of the story.

 

[Campe]

I could give the response of what of any films is necessary but that’s a truly disingenuous argument.

No. The ST was not necessary. But frankly the PT wasn’t either. The OT stood on its own and everything else was frankly unneeded.

I’m disappointed that LFL treated Boyega poorly. I, not surprised in the slightest Rey’s lineage changing, do, however have to point back to the OT and suggest that Vader was not originally to be Luke’s father and Leia was not to be Luke’s sister. If the internet existed during the OT, there would be a lot of complaining about all of that too. I’m not excusing what happened. It would have been nice had they a plan, but it sounds to me like the movies were rushed (which we knew about) and that the filmmakers simply didn’t talk to each other.

I just hope that if/when new SW movies are made, they learn from this.

 

[fireproof78]

No. The ST was not necessary. But frankly the PT wasn’t either. The OT stood on its own and everything else was frankly unneeded.

This is quite accurate.

 

[Campe]

This is quite accurate.

If I wanted to be even more accurate and frank, really, they could have stopped with Star Wars and sometimes I think it would have been better. It stood alone and told a far simpler and satisfying story than any prequel or sequel could have.

 

[fireproof78]

If I wanted to be even more accurate and frank, really, they could have stopped with Star Wars and sometimes I think it would have been better. It stood alone and told a far simpler and satisfying story than any prequel or sequel could have.

Indeed.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

At least Rey's parents, or one of them wasn't a planet.

 

[plynch]

Well, some movies help explain things, Godfather II's flashbacks, and then the continuation of the main story. (Let's not mention III, though it's getting a re-do, apparently.)

Yup, SW is a nearly perfect movie. Mythic, heroic, joyful. I'm ok with the PT, due to fleshing out Anakin, since Darth and his redemption became the crux of the OT. Not necessary (PT), but still tied-into and set-up to the OT.

As movies, I won't rewatch them, though. The main characters (PT) are so devoid of verve cf. to the originals. I've heard the OT actors joke, Lucas would do another take and tell them to speak faster. With the PT, it's like he told them to go slower.

As movies I did enjoy 7 and esp. 8 due to all the things others hated. So it goes.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, some movies help explain things

Some things are best left unexplained .

 

[plynch]

Very much agree.

I was fine without the PT, though they did usher in my son as a huge Star Wars fan. He used throne room music as exit music in his wedding.

 

[fireproof78]

And I'm fine with the ST because my daughters got in to Star Wars and have Rey to celebrate as a heroine.

But, these stories did not need to be told. Star Wars didn't need 9 films to tell its story.

 

[jaime]

Age would not have worked for Rey to be Satine and Obi-Wan's daughter. She would have been a grand daughter.

Unless she was frozen in carbonite for a bit before waking up on Jakku with messed up memories.

Frankly, the obi wan thing is an was a much better idea, and something to lay at the door of TLJ again.

 

[Saul]

Unless she was frozen in carbonite for a bit before waking up on Jakku with messed up memories.

Oh! Nice idea, I hadn't thought of that. That's definitely a concept I could see getting played with one day in another movie or show.

 

[JD]

It would have been nice had they a plan, but it sounds to me like the movies were rushed (which we knew about) and that the filmmakers simply didn’t talk to each other.

I just hope that if/when new SW movies are made, they learn from this.

It seems to me like they have, so far the two multimovie arcs they announced, the now canceled Game of Thrones guys series, and Rian Johnson trilogy have had the same writer and/or director. Hopefully that will lead to more consistent and better planned series.

 

[Xerxes82]

All of this talk about Rey's heritage makes me look back at the one piece of evidence for Rey Palpatine that's in TFA. Her theme. Seriously, listen to the core notes of Rey's theme, and then to the Emperor's.

That's one hell of a coincidence, if it is one.

I'm not sure if I'm more impressed by how effectively that works if it turns out that Williams just happened upon it by complete accident, or if it was intentional and just hidden in plain sight all along. (Or the third possibility, that Williams did it by accident, but it's because of how effectively it works that the choice was made to make Rey a Palpatine.)

 

[Crewman6]

Frankly, the obi wan thing is an was a much better idea, and something to lay at the door of TLJ again.

TLJ had the BEST possible origin for Rey...until it was ruined.

 

[jaime]

TLJ had the BEST possible origin for Rey...until it was ruined.

Nope. It really didn’t. It had an edgy ‘subvert’ plan, and it didn’t really fit with the style Star Wars has always gone with. To the point that in the same year, Han Solo, who really hadn’t needed an on-screen origin story got one.
The series said ‘it’s not important where you come from and also ‘come see where everything about this guy came from’ at the same time.

It just doesn’t work.

 

[Campe]

The series said ‘it’s not important where you come from and also ‘come see where everything about this guy came from’ at the same time.

You're right. But that really started that far before TLJ. You want to blame a film? Blame Empire. Star Wars, not Episode IV, not A New Hope, but simply Star Wars had a simple story of a farmboy -- a nobody -- becoming a hero. Its a story for the times. One we can all aspire to. Empire made our hero the son of the devil. And Jedi made it worse by making the "only girl in the universe" the hero's sister.

 

[Ssosmcin]

You're right. But that really started that far before TLJ. You want to blame a film? Blame Empire. Star Wars, not Episode IV, not A New Hope, but simply Star Wars had a simple story of a farmboy -- a nobody -- becoming a hero. Its a story for the times. One we can all aspire to. Empire made our hero the son of the devil. And Jedi made it worse by making the "only girl in the universe" the hero's sister.

Well that’s not entirely true. Luke wasn’t some random nobody. It was established in the first part of the film:

“I want to learn the ways of the force and become a Jedi like my father.”

So the force was already strong in his family, with or without Vader being his father.