Spoilers Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Grading & Discussion

[Noname Given]

which one?

The story of "Rose" and her humble and angry beginnings that we don't need nor care about?
The arms dealers on planet Las Vegas?
the power struggle of admiral Rubber Face?

^^^
And what was with Admiral Laura Dern (sorry forgot the character name as she was expendable stunt casting anyway) NOT telling the brash pilot and his compatriots the actual plan to sneak off in small transports under cloak to a Planet that (somehow) the Imperials couldn't detect (even though it was clearly visible outside the Large Transport ship window as she finally DID explain after the plan to disable the Lightspeed detector on the Imperial destroyer failed) BEFORE Fin and Rose somehow sneaked off in a LS capable shuttle that the Imperials (yeah, can we just call them Imperials as that;s what they actually still are ) didn't bother to follow - and which can get to Planet Vegas and back in under 6 hours <--- Yeah, don't get me started on that ridiculous story aspect...

 

[Claudia]

The arms dealers on planet Las Vegas?

That was really awfully in your face... the parallels to Tatooine, gambling upper class, racing, slavery... and one force-sensitive slave-boy staring to the stars (and perhaps determining for himself that he, one day, will have visited every single one of them)... urgh...

Yep, didn't care for that at all.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

^^^
And what was with Admiral Laura Dern (sorry forgot the character name as she was expendable stunt casting anyway) NOT telling the brash pilot and his compatriots the actual plan to sneak off in small transports under cloak to a Planet.

Yeah I dunno what the motivation was to not tell 'em what the plan was. Seemed like a 5 second iteration of her plan woulda solved 1/3rd of the film...

(yeah, can we just call them Imperials as that;s what they actually still

That, or we can call them the Brits...

 

[Hound of UIster]

Anakin was supposedly conceived by the Force ( or Darth Plagueis if you want to believe that theory ). He had no father.

Almost certainly.
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/george-lucas-and-the-cult-of-darth-vader-20050602

Now, there's a hint in the movie that there was a Sith lord who had the power to create life. But it's left unsaid: Is Anakin a product of a super-Sith who influenced the midichlorians to create him, or is he simply created by the midichlorians to bring forth a prophecy, or was he created by the Force through the midichlorians? It's left up to the audience to decide. How he was born ultimately has no relationship to how he dies, because in the end, the prophecy is true: Balance comes back to the Force.

Anyone still arguing about it is just a hater.

 

[Satron]

which one?

The story of "Rose" and her humble and angry beginnings that we don't need nor care about?
The arms dealers on planet Las Vegas?
the power struggle of admiral Rubber Face?

The lot of it. The Rose-character feels forced. Nothing about how she is presented seems to flow organically in a SW-setting. The actress gives a competent performance but the character is bad. The arms-dealer bit is a good idea, but this would deserve a much deeper look. This could have been this movie's sub-plot, and it would have given us some explanations as to how the First Order could have come to the power it now holds. Admiral Jurassic Park was a mistake from the moment the first ink was put on the script-page to the first bit of hair-dye on Laura Dern's head. She is pointless and acts stupid. She makes the characters from TFA look like moron's and drives them to actions they would never have taken if she had said what her plan was. Had she said one word, Rose perhaps could have come to the great idea to outfit the transport-ships with cloaking-devices (which seem to be a thing in SW now), hide them from the First Order and reach the Rebel base unnoticed. Given a different context, I'd have loved to see more of Admiral Holdo though.

Here is a very balanced view on the reaction to the movie.

 

[Satron]

That was really awfully in your face... the parallels to Tatooine, gambling upper class, racing, slavery... and one force-sensitive slave-boy staring to the stars (and perhaps determining for himself that he, one day, will have visited every single one of them)... urgh...

Yep, didn't care for that at all.

A writer should question his talent when he can't deliver social commentary in SW without making the writing for the Prequels look subtle in comparison.

 

[crookeddy]

The slave boy staring at the stars was well done. He is Anakin, and he is Luke, and he is every single other person that wanted to do better than the cards dealt them.

The in your face social commentary of the casino planet was pretty bad - though it got a bit better when it showed that the arms dealers did indeed sell to both sides.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Y'all are just mad that not only did Rian anticipate the complaints from the vocal minority, he supplied the ammunition to deal with them.

Amazing - everything in that post is wrong.

(See? That line is even more stupid the second time.)

 

[GeekUSACarl]

The slave boy staring at the stars was well done.

yeah this trilogy is really shaping up so different than the first,

desert dwelling nobody with natural powers destined to be a hero who in the first movie, joins forces with han, and chewie, to destroy a giant planet killing weapon

in the second she sets off to a far off planet to find the last jedi knight who is hiding from the world,

granted there are more differences than that, especially in the second film but boy oh boy is the retread pretty thick.

 

[Tuskin38]

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[Paradise City]

I enjoyed the film.

Some criticisms/observations

I liked Admiral Jurrassic Park. She did quite well and she was involved in several unpredictable twists and turns.

I liked how they somewhat sullied Luke.

Some legitimate concerns about there being too many subplots. The Rose character becomes a gushing repairperson to a heroic rescuer, adventurer in minutes. A little bit more development space could've been had to do that character a bit more justice.

I liked the casino planet but they got out of the slammer a bit too easy. They also criminally underused del Toro who is a great actor.

Stoke was a bit ho-hum.

Above all they broke with the traditional "Death Star" template and I think it was a success.

I

 

[Kirk Prime]

Ok, so if Yoda, the Force Ghost, can interact with the living, and conjure lightning, and I'm ok with that if that's where they want to go, then what's the point of even being alive?

Why didn't Yoda and Obi Wan just destroy Vader and the Emperor as soon as they died?

What could the Emperor do?

We also have no clue if the Sith can be Force Ghosts. And what does it take to be able to become one?

Why was Anakin able to do it?

 

[Jedi_Master]

Amazing - everything in that post is wrong.

(See? That line is even more stupid the second time.)

I tend to avoid folks who use lines like "That's Stupid" or "That's garbage" because those are subjective viewpoints, not objective ones.
I also find it strange that folks take in some entertainment, hate it, and instead of moving on they continue to actively argue with folks who liked said entertainment.
If I hate something, I don't watch it again and don't talk about it....It's so much easier that way.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Ok, so if Yoda, the Force Ghost, can interact with the living, and conjure lightning, and I'm ok with that if that's where they want to go, then what's the point of even being alive?

I assume that Force Ghosts can only interact with / be seen by Jedi or other Force sensitive folk.

We also have no clue if the Sith can be Force Ghosts. And what does it take to be able to become one?

Why was Anakin able to do it?

Because switched over to the Good/Light side on his deathbed and became Anakin the Jedi again (actually, he became Anakin again right before he picked up the Emperor).

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I just remembered another part that cracked me up. When they're on Crait, you could tell Rian Johnson knew outraged fanboys were going to be pissed off about another planet battle with AT-ATs that looks suspiciously like Hoth. I loved he nipped that one in the bud and had the Resistance fighter stick his finger in, then taste and say, "Huh. Salt."

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I tend to avoid folks who use lines like "That's Stupid" or "That's garbage" because those are subjective viewpoints, not objective ones.

I responded "that's stupid" to something I said, so... you're advising me to avoid myself? Thanks, I'll try.

I also find it strange that folks take in some entertainment, hate it, and instead of moving on they continue to actively argue with folks who liked said entertainment.

The opposite should also apply then @Jedi_Master . Unless you've already forgotten that it was you who initially argued with @bigdaddy because he simply didn't like the movie you liked. But saying that he was "wrong" about his opinion must be an objective viewpoint and not a subjective one, right?

I also find it strange that folks take in some entertainment, hate it, and instead of moving on they continue to actively argue with folks who liked said entertainment. If I hate something, I don't watch it again and don't talk about it....It's so much easier that way.

Welcome to TrekBBS! That describes to a T what we do around here.

 

[Kor]

In the old EU, there were ancient Sith Lords who survived death, and were still able to interact with the physical universe. It was interesting stuff.

Kor

 

[EmoBorg]

Instead of killing off Admiral Ackbar early on, the writers should have had Ackbar taking over after Leia instead of Admiral Holdo. It would have made more sense.

 

[Trekkin]

Two part question:
1. What in the movie doesn’t ‘make sense’...
2. And how exactly would just switching in Ackbar ‘fix’ said sense?

Will he magically make the FO put some effort into catching the Resistance?

 

[Kirk Prime]

I assume that Force Ghosts can only interact with / be seen by Jedi or other Force sensitive folk.

Ah--but has that been etched in stone? Luke and Yoda are the only two we ever saw see Force ghosts. And now, we know that a Force ghost can do things with the Force to affect the living.

Because switched over to the Good/Light side on his deathbed and became Anakin the Jedi again (actually, he became Anakin again right before he picked up the Emperor).

Was he? Ok, so he cared about his son, and sacrificed to save him. But that's it. Does that really redeem him for all the people he killed, including a group of 5 year olds?