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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)

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Nerds.

You're all a bunch of nerds.
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But, wouldn't that fall under the translation argument? That this is being translated for us in to English? So, the term "human" is just the English word that makes sense in that.

Or something.

From what I've seen of the franchise, the Star Wars humans are supposed to be the same species as we are. It's probably works the same way that some fantasy works that have no connection with our world that feature de facto humans. (For all we know, our reality doesn't exist in the Star Wars "universe.")
 
In one of the books (don't remember which) there was a sideways reference to an extra-galactic expedition by the Asogain races. One of their ships potentally visited some primitive planet and accidentally left one of their younger members on the planet. That member would later used primitive technology to "phone home" and was later picked up.

The lost younger member did recognized Yoda, or Yoda's species.
That is funny. I know it's meant as a joke, but I actually kind of like it. Maybe the Yoda thing is just a pure coincidence, or perhaps the Force actually stretches all the way to our universe and the Star Wars stories all come from Force visions given to the creators.
 
The first Revenge of the Nerds was great. The second....eh, it had its moments but was a huge decline in quality from the original and was at best sporadically amusing. And the others?

The less said the better.
 
That idea was dropped to leave the galaxy and the humans more of a mystery.

And thank goodness for that.

It would have been like trying to connect "Lord of the Rings" or "Conan the Barbarian" directly to contemporary humanity. :wtf:

Kor
 
In one of the books (don't remember which) there was a sideways reference to an extra-galactic expedition by the Asogain races. One of their ships potentally visited some primitive planet and accidentally left one of their younger members on the planet. That member would later used primitive technology to "phone home" and was later picked up.

The lost younger member did recognized Yoda, or Yoda's species.
One of the planets represented in the Republic Senate scenes had ET beings. They were put in there as an Easter Egg...
 
And thank goodness for that.

It would have been like trying to connect "Lord of the Rings" or "Conan the Barbarian" directly to contemporary humanity. :wtf:

Kor
Probably not the best examples since both of those are indeed specifically placed in a sort of mytho-historic pre-history of Earth. A lost chapter of human history.

eg: "Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of"

Granted they're still a mythological reference points, but ones inextricably linked to our very real cultural history.

Middle Earth's links are a little more nebulous, but nevertheless the intended conceit was still that these fictional people and events happened on this world, long ago.

Star Wars is much more in the realm of fairytale and doesn't even attempt to place it in any useful context.
 
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Probably not the best examples since both of those are specifically placed in a sort of mytho-historic pre-history of Earth. A lost chapter of human history.

To me, Star Wars is as much fantasy as those... sword and sorcery in some hoary setting (that just happens to have spaceships).

Kor
 
To me, Star Wars is as much fantasy as those... sword and sorcery in some hoary setting (that just happens to have spaceships).

Kor
Oh sure, no question. Star Wars is absolutely a fantasy/fairy tale type setting. It's just that those two examples you cited, while also firmly of the fantasy persuasion, came bundled with the conceit that they actually took place in "our" world's deep pre-history.

Perhaps a more apt example might have been the likes of 'Game of Thrones' which (so far as I'm aware) is very firmly in it's very own alternate universe, despite being a mytho-historical hybrid akin to Conan & LotR. You could probably count 'Willow' too as I don't think the movie's opening even bothers with a "once upon a time..." and just go straight into prophecies about the downfall of an evil queen.
 
And thank goodness for that.

It would have been like trying to connect "Lord of the Rings" or "Conan the Barbarian" directly to contemporary humanity. :wtf:

Kor

But Middle Earth is France turned sideways...and Númenórë is Atlantis...and and other stuff.
 
Middle Earth....pre-5000 BC history.... The Fifth Age of the Sun was the Tower of Babel, Ur, and the lot until the SIxth Age started around the rise of Rome.


Or something like that.
 
Oh sure, no question. Star Wars is absolutely a fantasy/fairy tale type setting. It's just that those two examples you cited, while also firmly of the fantasy persuasion, came bundled with the conceit that they actually took place in "our" world's deep pre-history.

Perhaps a more apt example might have been the likes of 'Game of Thrones' which (so far as I'm aware) is very firmly in it's very own alternate universe, despite being a mytho-historical hybrid akin to Conan & LotR. You could probably count 'Willow' too as I don't think the movie's opening even bothers with a "once upon a time..." and just go straight into prophecies about the downfall of an evil queen.
Nothing has been revealed as far as I know, but I believe George RR Martin has said that he does have some kind of relationship in mind for the books' setting and our modern world.
 
Nothing has been revealed as far as I know, but I believe George RR Martin has said that he does have some kind of relationship in mind for the books' setting and our modern world.


Maybe GOT is set AFTER the fall of the modern world
 
Nothing has been revealed as far as I know, but I believe George RR Martin has said that he does have some kind of relationship in mind for the books' setting and our modern world.
Maybe GOT is set AFTER the fall of the modern world
Wouldn't be the first fantasy story to take that tack. Another one I've seen a few times is the regressed/abandoned off-world colony trope.

Still, point being even if he'll eventually explore that route, for the time being there's no direct existent link like there was in LotR and Conan.
 
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