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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)

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Wow, I never noticed that Rey and Poe don't interact! Of course Poe was barely in the movie. I hope to see more of him in 8.
 
Wow, I never noticed that Rey and Poe don't interact! Of course Poe was barely in the movie. I hope to see more of him in 8.
Why would they. They're story arcs were vastly different and the only thing they had in common was Finn. I too wouldn't mind to see more Poe, but he was kind of non-existent for the most part in this one.
 
The closest Rey and Poe came to being in the same scene would have been after the victorious return to the Resistance base at the end of the film, but Poe was somewhere else at the facility and her only scenes were with Leia.
 
I wonder how or if there was suppose to be the Starkiller base battle scenes the X-wings if Poe was suppose to die early in the film. Was that rewritten and then they decided to keep Poe. Was that a Wedge scene?
 
One would assume Wedge would have been one of the dudes around the table like Leia and Ackbar. I guess it would have just been rando X-Wing pilots in the battle... bravely led by Snap Wexley! :guffaw:
 
I wonder how or if there was suppose to be the Starkiller base battle scenes the X-wings if Poe was suppose to die early in the film. Was that rewritten and then they decided to keep Poe. Was that a Wedge scene?
Yeah, the decision to kill Poe was changed early on, back during casting. From an interview with GQ...
Isaac says he had been summoned to Paris for what he suspected might be a role in The Force Awakens. Sure enough, earlier that day, he had met with Abrams, screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan, and Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy, and Abrams had pitched him the character of Poe Dameron, a badass fighter pilot battling against the remnants of the Empire.

“He’s amazing!” said Abrams.

“Sounds good!” thought Isaac, whose first experience in a movie theater had been seeing The Empire Strikes Back.

“He opens the whole movie!” said Abrams.

“Sounds great!” thought Isaac.

“And then,” Abrams went on. “He dies.”

“Oh,” thought Isaac.

...

“I went back home [to New York], and I thought about it,” he says. “Then I wrote him and said, ‘Okay. I’ll do it!’ I figured it would be a cameo: I’ll come in, do my thing, and maybe it’s actually better not to have to sign myself up for three movies.” By that time, though, things had changed and Abrams soon wrote back: “Never mind. I’ve figured it out. You’re in the whole movie now.”

“I was like, ‘Holy shit! Alright, cool,’ ” Isaac says.
 
Abrams sure seems to have a fixin' to kill off apparent lead characters early on. He originally wanted Jack to die in the Pilot or first few episodes of Lost, killed Keri Washington's character in MI:3 pretty much immediately after we meet her, Mark Valley's character in Fringe.
 
False leads or protagonists perhaps. Some films or series can get away with that. Make it look like you are going to follow these people around, but what they are really there for is to either introduce you to the real main characters and/or show you just how deadly the situation/antagonist really is (without having to kill or maim the actual main characters).
 
Abrams sure seems to have a fixin' to kill off apparent lead characters early on. He originally wanted Jack to die in the Pilot or first few episodes of Lost, killed Keri Washington's character in MI:3 pretty much immediately after we meet her, Mark Valley's character in Fringe.
Well, I can understand it. It's a trope subversion, removing the character who appears to be the main in act 1 to fool the audience. It also can be a quick way to show how bad your villain is. While none of the mains are killed in the opening of the original Star Wars, the Empire and Vader are presented in a similar manner by killing the humans in that scene. Who's the audience left with? The droids. It's unusual.

For Abrams, growing up with Star Wars and the like, it seems like a quick, dramatic twist, to put in the beginning.

Makes sense to me.
 
I understand it, but there is a point at which subverting the trope becomes a trope unto itself and Abrams seems to have a few of those habits.
 
Speaking of character deaths, I kind of wish that a beloved character from the original trilogy had been cut down in the opening sequence, instead of Uncle Dramatic Death played by Max Von Sydow.... perhaps Mon Mothma or Lando.

That would have really shown how evil Kylo Ren had become. :evil:

Kor
 
And given us more emotional weight for that scene. Max Von Sydow is an amazing actor whose body of work deserved more than just a brief appearance as a character we'd never before heard of nor met and who gets just a handful of lines. I liked him in the film, but I was hoping his character would have been the elderly version of an established name in the franchise. Somebody we knew from a previous film or one of the animated series.
 
I am under impression that his role will be expanded upon in the next movie. I heard he woudld appear there, which is one more hint that we will get flashback scenes.
 
I hope so. Getting a distinguished actor like that for what amounted to little more than a glorified cameo that lasts just a couple of minutes doesn't make a lot of sense, so hopefully they shot a few other scenes with his character that they'll use in the next film.
 
To me, flashback scenes in Star Wars would seem a bit odd, unless they are very well-done "Force visions" like Rey had in TFA.

Or maybe Episode VIII will have a choppy chronology like a Christopher Nolan movie. :mallory:

Kor
 
I'd love to see him appear on Rebels as a much younger version of himself. He'd be about forty years younger in that time period and in the prime of his life as a supporter or even an active member of the Rebel Alliance.
 
I am under impression that his role will be expanded upon in the next movie. I heard he woudld appear there, which is one more hint that we will get flashback scenes.
He is a pretty major actor to have in such a small part. He must be pretty important person to have been entrusted with the map, so it wouldn't surprise me if we did get some kind of flashbacks to show how he ended up with something it.
I know we haven't gotten flashbacks in Star Wars before, but with so much ground still to cover between the movies, flashbacks would a good way to avoid endless scenes of people sitting around telling each other what happened.
 
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