Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion (HERE THERE BE SPOILERS)
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The dialogue with Finn suggested that she knew how to pilot a ship.
Down goes Titanic and Avatar is next
I'm presently retroactively buying tickets for Avatar's original theatrical run to prevent this from happening!
IMHO judging from the apparent ages of the actors involved, Rey was left on Jakku more than a decade before TFA, while i do not get the impression, that Ben fell to the dark side more than 5 years before.
So, at least at the moment, i doubt Rey's exile being linked to Ben turning to the dark side
So, at least at the moment, i doubt Rey's exile being linked to Ben turning to the dark side
Not really. If an established character suddenly goes and does something completely beyond what you'd expect, it means it wasn't established. It's not a huge deal, just an example of throwing stuff into a film without bothering to tie it together clearly. There's no reason Rey CAN'T be a pilot, it would just be nice if the storytellers keep the audience up to speed about things like that.
That's kind of a disturbing theory that makes her parents seem like giant assholes.
Why would you expect her not to know how to pilot stuff?
It's Star Wars after all, with hovercrafts and spaceships all over the place, pilot's license could be as common as a driver's license...
Rey was not an established character. There's no way for her to do things beyond what you would expect, because you shouldn't be expecting things about someone you've just met, Finn. 
That was even a plot point in the film.
That was even a plot point in the film.
I know I was like "What? Finn can't even fly a fucking TIE Fighter?". In Star Wars everybody can fly shit so I wasn't at all surprised Rey managed to fly the Falcon. Even a fucking farmer like Luke managed to fly an X-Wing and destroy the Death Star in a serious battle because it's all like shooting womp rats.
The idea that Rey can't fly didn't even cross my mind after she mentioned that she can do it.
The idea that Rey can't fly didn't even cross my mind after she mentioned that she can do it.
Rey was not an established character. There's no way for her to do things beyond what you would expect, because you shouldn't be expecting things about someone you've just met, Finn.
That was even a plot point in the film.
They took the time to show what seems to be her daily routine: Scrounging all day for scrap to trade for muffins, cooking muffins, sitting in the shade of an AT-AT eating muffins. All I'm saying is, they could've put some piloting related item in there during those establishing scenes. Even Episode 1 set this sort of thing up better with Anakin.
I still like the movie, I just love the nitpicks.
While i agree with you regarding his age, i have difficulties seeing him go around, slicing up a dozen or so of his former friends and classmates with a lightsaber as a snotty-nosed 15 year old, i see him more as around 20 when that happened.
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There was a piloting related item there. It has a reddish-brown color and kinda looks like an USB-drive.
Finn didn't know how to fly a TIE Fighter because the First Order brainwashes and indoctrinates their troopers into mindless killing machines trapped in the system and unable to escape. So they definitely would not cross-train Stormtroopers and teach them how to jump ship if they didn't want to serve anymore.
No, 15 sounds about right for Ben Solo to turn to the Dark Side. If we accept that as a Skywalker offspring he'd be strong with the Force and prone to the temptations and personal issues that both his uncle and grandfather experienced then it's not out of the realm of possibility for a teenage boy going through puberty and maturing would be grappling with a lot of conflicting and often dark emotions as he learned about the Force and what it could do in the wrong hands.
Anakin just took longer to fall, that's all. A different life experience and different background with more Jedi around him to influence his development. Remember, when Anakin was 15 there'd been no Galactic Empire to enslave and terrorize the galaxy and impose a totalitarian system over the universe he knew. Kylo Ren grew up in the aftermath of that tyranny and was probably tempted by the images power and strength that such a system projected, and combined with coming to terms with the truth about his family history probably contributed to his seduction by the Dark Side and descent into evil behavior.
Anakin just took longer to fall, that's all. A different life experience and different background with more Jedi around him to influence his development. Remember, when Anakin was 15 there'd been no Galactic Empire to enslave and terrorize the galaxy and impose a totalitarian system over the universe he knew. Kylo Ren grew up in the aftermath of that tyranny and was probably tempted by the images power and strength that such a system projected, and combined with coming to terms with the truth about his family history probably contributed to his seduction by the Dark Side and descent into evil behavior.
Eh, I don't think that's something we really needed to see spelled out beforehand. We already see that Rey is a very handy and skilled survivor and really good around machines (from droid repair to knowing what valuable components to pull out of a Star Destroyer), so when she says she's also a pilot I didn't have that hard a time believing it.
And the movie never actually says that she's some great, hot shot pilot. She might know the basics, but her complete surprise after performing all those amazing Falcon maneuvers makes it pretty clear to me that the Force took over and played a pretty big hand in that.
And as for the mind trick, it was already established that she had heard stories about Luke and the Jedi, so it's not hard to imagine her hearing about the Jedi mind trick as well at some point. And once she was able to mentally fight back against Kylo realized "oh wow, maybe that's something else I'm capable of doing now!"
In any case, the sheer fun and surprise of Rey discovering all these amazing new powers and abilities within her, and on the fly, was half the fun of the movie. Whether that's just because the Force was working a lot stronger through her, after apparently lying dormant for so long, I don't know. But I don't think it's something that really needs a lot of over-explaining-- especially in what is ultimately just supposed to be a fun space opera in the end.
In any case, the sheer fun and surprise of Rey discovering all these amazing new powers and abilities within her, and on the fly, was half the fun of the movie. Whether that's just because the Force was working a lot stronger through her, after apparently lying dormant for so long, I don't know. But I don't think it's something that really needs a lot of over-explaining-- especially in what is ultimately just supposed to be a fun space opera in the end.
A 3D rollercoaster ride through the graveyard? Somehow I doubt, such a scene would be a fan-favourite.
Well that is probably the worst "what the hell?" moment the original has. Just re-watched it fairly recently and the idea that Luke was going to be in on the attack with one of the precious few ships the rebels had did seem pretty
