Star Wars The Clone Wars Season Five News and Discussion
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When he first saw the film a close friend was really confused by the Qui-Gon reveal at the end of ROTS. "Wait, huh? Qui-Gon? That was out of left field! Why didn't they show Yoda talking to his spirit then?" I then told him the silent meditation scene was supposed to be Yoda communicating with Qui-Gon via the Force. "Oh, okay. They didn't get that point across very well, then."
I can't say I was entirely in disagreement with him. If you don't know that the silent meditation sequence was connected to Qui-Gon then the later conversation with Obi-Wan can seem like a big HUH? DID I MISS SOMETHING? moment.
I'm fine with it now, but I understand the confusion.
I can't say I was entirely in disagreement with him. If you don't know that the silent meditation sequence was connected to Qui-Gon then the later conversation with Obi-Wan can seem like a big HUH? DID I MISS SOMETHING? moment.
I'm fine with it now, but I understand the confusion.
I think it was in the film novelization, but yeah - walking blind into the movie without searching out the book or soliciting someone else's opinions would have left one dumbfounded. They really should have put an explanation in there and dubbed in Liam's voice or something. In hindsight it all worked out fine and the scene works, but in 2005 it was another one of those "did Lucas really bother to think this scene out" moments.
Very happy to hear about this. I've had Netflix for a while now, so I'm very glad to know I'll actually be able to watch them as soon as they come out.
After the Marvel stuff, and now this I'm starting to think Netflix might be on the way to becoming the greatest thing in entertainment.
After the Marvel stuff, and now this I'm starting to think Netflix might be on the way to becoming the greatest thing in entertainment.
Maybe there'll be a special edition someday.
To what extent can Disney alter the films, though? Would their agreement to purchase LFL give them license to do so?
Admittedly, I don't know how these kinds of agreements affect a new studio's access to the older studio's catalog of films.
Admittedly, I don't know how these kinds of agreements affect a new studio's access to the older studio's catalog of films.
If they release a new edition of ROTS they also need to put the "Yoda Arrives on Dagobah" scene back into the film. Even Rick McCallum said that it was a huge disappointment to lose that sequence and have to relegate it to the Extras section on a bonus disc. He hoped that if George (or somebody else) went back at some future date to re-edit the film they should show the wisdom to restore that scene.
If Netflix dumps those episodes all at once as they usually do I don't think I'll be able to pace myself. I'll need to order a pizza that night I think and just dive in.
Aaah, nothing like a fine anchovy pizza, some coke, and a good tv show marathon.
^ Did those episodes leak onto the net? I may need to quit reading if everything is about to be spoiled.
They aired in Germany on Saturday. All but the last three episodes will have been shown there before they appear on Netflix, going by the current schedule.
I'm not seeking out any spoilers, but if I come across some I'm not going to be mad. I'll be looking forward to the premiere on Netflix no matter what beans somebody online spills.
Okay, here's the deal... this is from a user on another site.
( Warning: Massive spoilage, don't read any of this if you don't want to be spoiled )
( Warning: Massive spoilage, don't read any of this if you don't want to be spoiled )
Tup does not have a tumor, his organic chip - which consist of 'Klonprotokoll 66', most likely 'Clone protocol 66' in English - is failing. No explanation is given what caused that. Palpatine claims in the end that some sort of parasite was responsible for it.
The episode starts with a Republic attack on an apparently Separatist controlled world. Cyborg Trench is in charge of the defense. It may be that the Confederacy won that battle since the Anakin and the 501st are back on Coruscant in the last episode of the arc.
Trench witnesses Tups attack on the Jedi master, and informs Dooku. Tyranus informs Sidious who instructs him to capture that defective clone. Tyranus is very aware of the clone end game. He orders Trench to capture Tup, which he does with a tremendous amount of efficiency. It's very sad that we won't see him in future episodes...
Anakin, Rex, and Fives sneak to the outside of the Separatist hangar and capture the transport on which Tup was going to Serenno.
They decide to take Tup to Kamino for a full medical exam.
On Kamino it is revealed that Lama Su and the chief scientist working on the clones, Nala Se, are in cahoots with Lord Tyranus whom they contact. Tyranus wears his hood and is not recognizable as Dooku, but it's not really clear whether the Kaminoans know or care that they are working for the Sith. I bet they do and don't care.
Tyranus is worried whether the Tup situation is going to cause problems for 'clone protocol 66' on a larger scale. He provided the Kaminoans with the organic chip they implanted in all the clones and claims that Sifo-Dyas is the only other person knowing about this. We don't know if that's really the case, but I guess this will be revealed in the coming Yoda arc.
Nala Se claims a virus must be responsible for Tups behavior while examining him together with Shaak Ti. Fives wants to know what's wrong and teams up with a really funny Kaminoan medical droid whose number I don't remember. When the Shaak Ti and Nala Se are at odds whether to do a level 5 scan on Tup, Fives starts his own investigation on Tup and finds a tumor in his brain which is eventually removed by the droid. Upon which Tup dies in a very touching scene, muttering about the mission that's always going on his dreams, the mission all the clones know about. The tumor is no tumor at all but a degrading organic chip which is only revealed later.
Tup's remains and the tumor are supposed to be sent to Coruscant, but Shaak Ti and Nala Se disagree on whether they are supposed to be sent to the Jedi Council or to the Chancellor's new medical facility (the one in which Vader is built!).
Nala Se gives Shaak Ti fake evidence. Fives is supposed to stay on Kamino and is scheduled (without Shaak Ti knowing about it) for memory wipe and reprogramming just as his buddy, the medical droid, is. The Kaminoans always speak about the clones as if they are machines. They want to shut them down and stuff like that.
Fives escapes, determined to find out what is going on. He and the droid use medical facilities to find out if Fives as the same chip. It is found and removed. Fives then finds out that all the clones get them as embryos.
When Nala Se confronts him she claims that those chips are 'inhibitor chips' preventing the clones from becoming like Jango Fett (i.e. violent and disobedient). The order to that came from the Jedi, more precisely from Sifo-Dyas. She says that without his chip Fives has become a threat. She claims that Tup killed a Jedi because his chip was degrading. Fives is taken into custody to go to Coruscant and explain himself to Palpatine. On the way Nala Se injects Fives with a drug. They meet in the medical facility, in the very room where Vader is built. Palpatine sends everybody out but Fives and his guards and then claims that Fives tried to kill him (his clone guards are dead when Shaak Ti busts into the room). Palpatine hands the two chips - Tup's and Fives' - to Nala Se. The words they exchange strongly indicate that they both know that Palpatine is involved in this whole thing.
Fives is on the run, hides in a clone bar on Coruscant, is tracked by a probe droid, and eventually contacts Rex and Anakin (who are back on Coruscant). They want to meet but Fives gets more and more paranoid and erratic due to the drug he was injected with. He captured Rex and Anakin in ray shields, attempting to explain everything to them. That all the clones are used for something evil, that the evidence is in them (the chips), and that Palpatine is involved (he has even said as much to him, he claims, most likely offscreen). A bunch of Palpatine's personal clone guard arrives and eventually shoots Fives when he tries to reach for his weapon. Fives didn't want to go back with them.
Palpatine tells the Jedi a tale about a parasite from the world the 501st was fighting on in the beginning which was messing with the inhibitor chips of the two clones. He says a vaccine is developed to take care of the problem. The Jedi seem to buy the story. Nala Se contacts Darth Tyranus on Serenno, telling him that everything has been taken care of. Dooku removes his hood and contacts Sidious, and they both ensure each other that everything is going to plan and the Jedi won't see Order 66 coming. Sidious even laughs in the end.
The episode starts with a Republic attack on an apparently Separatist controlled world. Cyborg Trench is in charge of the defense. It may be that the Confederacy won that battle since the Anakin and the 501st are back on Coruscant in the last episode of the arc.
Trench witnesses Tups attack on the Jedi master, and informs Dooku. Tyranus informs Sidious who instructs him to capture that defective clone. Tyranus is very aware of the clone end game. He orders Trench to capture Tup, which he does with a tremendous amount of efficiency. It's very sad that we won't see him in future episodes...
Anakin, Rex, and Fives sneak to the outside of the Separatist hangar and capture the transport on which Tup was going to Serenno.
They decide to take Tup to Kamino for a full medical exam.
On Kamino it is revealed that Lama Su and the chief scientist working on the clones, Nala Se, are in cahoots with Lord Tyranus whom they contact. Tyranus wears his hood and is not recognizable as Dooku, but it's not really clear whether the Kaminoans know or care that they are working for the Sith. I bet they do and don't care.
Tyranus is worried whether the Tup situation is going to cause problems for 'clone protocol 66' on a larger scale. He provided the Kaminoans with the organic chip they implanted in all the clones and claims that Sifo-Dyas is the only other person knowing about this. We don't know if that's really the case, but I guess this will be revealed in the coming Yoda arc.
Nala Se claims a virus must be responsible for Tups behavior while examining him together with Shaak Ti. Fives wants to know what's wrong and teams up with a really funny Kaminoan medical droid whose number I don't remember. When the Shaak Ti and Nala Se are at odds whether to do a level 5 scan on Tup, Fives starts his own investigation on Tup and finds a tumor in his brain which is eventually removed by the droid. Upon which Tup dies in a very touching scene, muttering about the mission that's always going on his dreams, the mission all the clones know about. The tumor is no tumor at all but a degrading organic chip which is only revealed later.
Tup's remains and the tumor are supposed to be sent to Coruscant, but Shaak Ti and Nala Se disagree on whether they are supposed to be sent to the Jedi Council or to the Chancellor's new medical facility (the one in which Vader is built!).
Nala Se gives Shaak Ti fake evidence. Fives is supposed to stay on Kamino and is scheduled (without Shaak Ti knowing about it) for memory wipe and reprogramming just as his buddy, the medical droid, is. The Kaminoans always speak about the clones as if they are machines. They want to shut them down and stuff like that.
Fives escapes, determined to find out what is going on. He and the droid use medical facilities to find out if Fives as the same chip. It is found and removed. Fives then finds out that all the clones get them as embryos.
When Nala Se confronts him she claims that those chips are 'inhibitor chips' preventing the clones from becoming like Jango Fett (i.e. violent and disobedient). The order to that came from the Jedi, more precisely from Sifo-Dyas. She says that without his chip Fives has become a threat. She claims that Tup killed a Jedi because his chip was degrading. Fives is taken into custody to go to Coruscant and explain himself to Palpatine. On the way Nala Se injects Fives with a drug. They meet in the medical facility, in the very room where Vader is built. Palpatine sends everybody out but Fives and his guards and then claims that Fives tried to kill him (his clone guards are dead when Shaak Ti busts into the room). Palpatine hands the two chips - Tup's and Fives' - to Nala Se. The words they exchange strongly indicate that they both know that Palpatine is involved in this whole thing.
Fives is on the run, hides in a clone bar on Coruscant, is tracked by a probe droid, and eventually contacts Rex and Anakin (who are back on Coruscant). They want to meet but Fives gets more and more paranoid and erratic due to the drug he was injected with. He captured Rex and Anakin in ray shields, attempting to explain everything to them. That all the clones are used for something evil, that the evidence is in them (the chips), and that Palpatine is involved (he has even said as much to him, he claims, most likely offscreen). A bunch of Palpatine's personal clone guard arrives and eventually shoots Fives when he tries to reach for his weapon. Fives didn't want to go back with them.
Palpatine tells the Jedi a tale about a parasite from the world the 501st was fighting on in the beginning which was messing with the inhibitor chips of the two clones. He says a vaccine is developed to take care of the problem. The Jedi seem to buy the story. Nala Se contacts Darth Tyranus on Serenno, telling him that everything has been taken care of. Dooku removes his hood and contacts Sidious, and they both ensure each other that everything is going to plan and the Jedi won't see Order 66 coming. Sidious even laughs in the end.
I can't find anything useful online about the broadcast episodes... any of our German fans see it/enjoy it/have anything for spoiler tags?
Takeru, anything would be great!
Okay, long version:
Anakin and two female twin jedi are on a mission to end a blockade, during the mission one of the clone troopers (Tup) starts acting weird, suddenly he walks up to one of the female Jedi and shoots her in the face, killing her. The mission is aborted and they retreat with an apprehended Tup, everyone assumes Tup is suffering from some illness, probably a plot by the seperatists, an anti clone virus. He keeps acting weird and aggressive towards Jedi.
Tup is then taken to Kamino to get checked from head to toe, Fives is with him ans shaak Ti os also on Kamino. The kamino doctor chick immediately insists that it must be a virus, Fives is also kept on kamino to make sure he doesn't have the same infection. The Kaminoans immediatley inform Count Dooku that Tups inhibitor chip failed, he orders them to make sure nobody figures it out, it has to look like whatever Tup has only affects one clone.
The doctor chick unsubtly rejects all of a droids sensible suggestions and wants to kill and dissect Tups, Shaak Ti doesn't like the idea but after talking to the jedi council doesn't object. Fives is horrified of this and gets the droid to help him do a special scan of tups where they discover something that appears to be a tumor. They remove the tumor but Tups dies after the removal.
Shaak Ti and the Kaminoans inform Palpatine, Shaak Ti wants to take everything to the jedi temple but Paplaptine insists it is taken to some medical academy on coruscant instead. Kamino doctor chick continues to act suspicious and after she switches evidence boxes containing the tumor Fives flees (primarily to escape a wiping of his brain) with the droid. They continue to investigate and discover that the tumor is actually a chip and that it is implanted into all clones when they're still embryos. They remove Fives own chip and take doctor chick hostage, she admits that the inhibitor chips were installed on orders of a jedi master to supress Jango Fett's more aggressive tendencies in his clones.
Shaak Ti takes Fives and the working and not working chips to Coruscant, the doctor insists on coming with them.
On Coruscant they immediately meet Palpatine, who insists they release the restrained Fives. He wants to talk alone with him, waiting outside Shaak Ti and the others suddenly hear Palpatine's screams, as they enter the room Fives is attacking the chancellor but manages to flee.
A manhunt starts but Fives manages to arrange a meeting with Anakin and Rex, he traps them in a forcefield and tries to convince him that it's a comspiracy and that Palpatine made him attack him by telling him he's involved in it, at this point he sounds completely delusional and paranoid. Other clone troopers show up and after he draws his weapon on them Fives is shot and killed.
Some time later palpatine informs the jedi council that the kaminoan doctpr was wrong, it wasn't a virus but a very rare parasite that affected both fives and Tup and damaged the latters chip, the academy will provide a vaccine to all clone troopers.
The final scene is between Palpatine and Dooku and Palpatine orders Dooku to destory all evidence so that they can still carry out order 66, he then does a big evil laugh, I hated that scene, it'sworthy and it seems like it was only included to make sure that even the last dummy gets what the chip business is really about.
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