Spoilers Star Wars: Solo - Grading and Discussion Thread
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Han did not strike me as the type who would be easily swayed by such things.
If only it were so simple.
I believe the Blu-ray is released on September 26th, at least that’s what my last pre-order update said from Target.
It comes out the 25th. I pre-ordered the blu-ray from Best Buy which means it could arrive as early as this Friday.
It's out on iTunes now.
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Finally saw this yesterday.
I like Enfsy Nest and Dryden Vos, but the story wasn't good enough to make me care about the other characters.
The dialog early on was really poor; very on-the-nose like they're trying to spoon feed it to you. It also goes for a cutesy style of humor that mostly falls flat.
Star Wars is supposed to be a fantasy that takes place in a galaxy far far away. The inclusion of an SJW robot ties the film too much to our world.
Aside form Enfsy Nest's theme, the music was very bland.
The movie as a whole was overly sentimental IMO. Han at times is almost portrayed as a tragic character whom we're supposed to feel sorry for, but the movie didn't dig deep enough into his character for it to actually work.
Despite my complaints there's some reasonably entertaining stuff here. I gave it a C.
I like Enfsy Nest and Dryden Vos, but the story wasn't good enough to make me care about the other characters.
The dialog early on was really poor; very on-the-nose like they're trying to spoon feed it to you. It also goes for a cutesy style of humor that mostly falls flat.
Star Wars is supposed to be a fantasy that takes place in a galaxy far far away. The inclusion of an SJW robot ties the film too much to our world.
Aside form Enfsy Nest's theme, the music was very bland.
The movie as a whole was overly sentimental IMO. Han at times is almost portrayed as a tragic character whom we're supposed to feel sorry for, but the movie didn't dig deep enough into his character for it to actually work.
Despite my complaints there's some reasonably entertaining stuff here. I gave it a C.
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There is nothing SJW about L3. Robot rights is a normal Sci-Fi trope, this is also not the first Star Wars story to have it.
It wasn't really even treated all that seriously. It was played in a rather silly way.
You can a call it (or not call it) whatever you want. The semantics are beside the point. The point is the character is parodying something that's too much of a reminder of our world IMO.
I feel the same way about the Nazi rally in TFA, the 50's style burger joint in the prequels, and the Vegas casino in TLJ.
Star Wars has always taken inspiration from our world because it has to take inspiration from some where, but there's a point at which it breaks the consistency of the fantasy world in which it's supposed to exist. A dingy bar works, Poe prank calling Hux doesn't.
And it's about time it was acknowledged in a meaningful way.
Why? Why does one work and the other one doesn't? A dingy bar is just as much of a trope as a prank call.
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By the way, if the Nazi symbols bothered you in TFA why is there not concern with the clear Nazi propaganda and stylizations in ANH:
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One works within the context of its fantasy world and matches its aesthetic, the other doesn't. It's not quantifiable.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I didn't say the Nazi symbols bothered me. The implication from my statement was the Hux Nazi-style rally too closely linked to our world. While the First Order / Empire are inspired by Nazi's they're not literal Nazis founded by Anton Drexler.By the way, if the Nazi symbols bothered you in TFA why is there not concern with the clear Nazi propaganda and stylizations in ANH:
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No sarcasm intended. It was a genuine question to determine when the Nazi parallels, which have existed from the beginning in the visual language of Star Wars, becomes too much.
I guess I'll have to leave it at that because the General Hux scene makes as much sense as Han trying to fast talk his way past the Imperials.
For me it was when they did the Nazi salute at the rally. Although it wasn't exactly the same, it was too close for me.
I've always viewed Star Wars as a fairy tale. When I watch it I don't want to be reminded of our world. I want to be taken to a galaxy far far away.
It's not like they can't have a sense of humor or make jokes...
When I'm watching it, I'm not thinking "Oh, Nazis" or "Oh, prank call." I'm laughing at Poe or Han's absurdity because its realistic and meant to be absurd. There are always going to be things that connect to the real world otherwise the stories would be completely unrelatable.
Of course they can have humor. The original trilogy was funny at times.It's not like they can't have a sense of humor or make jokes...
When I'm watching it, I'm not thinking "Oh, Nazis" or "Oh, prank call." I'm laughing at Poe or Han's absurdity because its realistic and meant to be absurd. There are always going to be things that connect to the real world otherwise the stories would be completely unrelatable.
I think the complaint about the humor in TLJ isn't that it's there, it's the type of humor and whether or not it feels out of place when it's used.
And as I said previously or course it's going to draw inspiration from the real world, it has to draw inspiration from somewhere.
I guess that will vary from person to person because Poe's sense of humor (and Han's, and Obi-Wan's) all fit fine in Star Wars for me.
Mileage and all that.
Star Wars has always been using real world imagery, even back in ANH. The Death Star battle is basically WWII aviation combat and tactics.
