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Star Wars Rebels Season Three (spoilers)
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Thank you for that.
I've now seen Rogue One, so I get what people have been saying about Saw having an "accent" there. I took it more as a strained, breathless delivery as a consequence of his injuries.
@Christopher -- But did you see Chopper and The Ghost? 
R2-D2 probably got more screen time, and was notable in his scene.
The Ghost likely was on screen more than both of them, but greatly spread out across the film.
One wonders if the prominence of the Millennium Falcon took over some of the Ghost's jobs, or if they still went around doing stuff in the following years. The Falcon has slightly less firepower and doesn't have the added shuttle/fighter slot, but the Falcon is the fastest hunk of junk in the Galaxy, and from observation, while Hera is a really good pilot, she's not nearly as crazy as Han Solo.
The Ghost likely was on screen more than both of them, but greatly spread out across the film.
One wonders if the prominence of the Millennium Falcon took over some of the Ghost's jobs, or if they still went around doing stuff in the following years. The Falcon has slightly less firepower and doesn't have the added shuttle/fighter slot, but the Falcon is the fastest hunk of junk in the Galaxy, and from observation, while Hera is a really good pilot, she's not nearly as crazy as Han Solo.
At this point I'm just taking Saw's weird accent as just an aspect of his increasingly erratic mental state, compounded by a near constant state of paranoia. This is simply what two decades of fighting does to a person and it's really tragic since you can see he knows he's not what he once was.
I hope they get around to giving him his own book or comic at some point. There's certainly enough meat there for a story especially the history and relationship to Jyn that's only really been alluded to so far. If nothing else it'll be a way to tell us what the hell happened to Lux.
I don't see how the one could make the other redundant in any way. The rebellion could use as many ships as it can get it's hands on and modified freighters that can blend in with civilian traffic but have the firepower to almost match that of a small corvette, the speed and manoeuvrability of a heavy fighter is going to be very highly prised in the Alliance. Plus I'm certain there's going to be no shortage of missions as the guerrilla insurgency became a full scale civil war.
I hope they get around to giving him his own book or comic at some point. There's certainly enough meat there for a story especially the history and relationship to Jyn that's only really been alluded to so far. If nothing else it'll be a way to tell us what the hell happened to Lux.
I don't see how the one could make the other redundant in any way. The rebellion could use as many ships as it can get it's hands on and modified freighters that can blend in with civilian traffic but have the firepower to almost match that of a small corvette, the speed and manoeuvrability of a heavy fighter is going to be very highly prised in the Alliance. Plus I'm certain there's going to be no shortage of missions as the guerrilla insurgency became a full scale civil war.
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@Christopher -- But did you see Chopper and The Ghost?
I caught the Ghost on Yavin and the page summoning General Syndulla to the briefing room. (I guess that explains why she wasn't there while Jyn was trying to rally the other leaders to go after the plans. If Hera'd been there, you know she'd have been all over that mission.) But I missed the Chopper cameo and the shots of the Ghost over Scarif, even though I was trying to keep my eye out for them. I hope someday we get a 2-part Rebels episode showing these events from their side -- maybe as the series finale?
Did we see if the Ghost was one of the ships that jumped out from Scarif before Vader's Star Destroyer arrived? It looks like the only ship to get away after that was the Tantive IV.
Again, though, it wasn't an accent. That means a specific way of pronouncing vowels and consonants, and that was no different than his usual delivery. All that was different was the pitch, speed, and timbre of his delivery. He spoke in a faster, more staccato, somewhat wheezier way, kind of like a heavy smoker with lung disease. The fact that he needed a respirator shows he had some kind of lung damage, and that naturally affected the way he talked. (He was kind of a semi-parallel to Vader, even to the point of a similar respirator sound.)
The last time I spotted the Ghost was when the Death Star was reported entering the area. I don't think it appear in any scene after that. Also there wasn't nearly enough debris floating around for Vader to have blown up all the remaining ships, and he didn't have an Interdictor with him it seems. I suspect the second Nebulon-B frigate escaped while the first one was being blown to pieces by Vader. Vader seemed to focus the flagship, which is reasonable. I half suspect the Ghost to get away or attempt to rescue the Admiral from his bridge spire. Though Hera would be the sort that would have tried to rescue the survivors of 'Rogue One' if she thought she could.
I hope to see The Battle of Scarif from the Rebel's point of view as well as possibly filling in some of the blanks about the rebel fleet as the seasons continue on. But that is likely two more seasons away. Assuming they don't wrap the story up after the Alliance if formed and/or their Jedi are killed (because if Ezra dies, than sort of ends the series doesn't it?), and then just jump to the Ghost doing stuff around the time of Rogue One.
I suspect that one story near that time will be related to the Tantive IV and Princess Leia in an effort to tell not only why they were in the Admiral's flagship, but also why both she and Hera were late to the big meeting. Also why the Ghost is mostly seen sticking close to the Admiral's ship.
There still is a case to be made to keep the Ghost and her crew active during the time frame of the Original Trilogy. So we can see what was going on between films from an angle that doesn't have to be that of Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, or Leia Organa. With them woven in at some points, because they are important to the rebellion. Though I think their story will end by before Endo (or at least the Jedi's story). Rex might go in to Endor, and the Ghost could be just a "well it was there, you just missed it" for the battle. Or it was damaged and out of commission for the fight, but Hera and whoever is left were doing Starfighter duty that day. Either with the B-wings and A-wings, or to go full circle, having Hera and Chopper in a Y-wing.
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By the way, when I was watching Rogue One, I thought some of the Stormtrooper voices sounded familiar. Turns out that a lot of Clone Wars/Rebels veterans did "Additional Voices" for the movie, including Steve Blum (the voice I recognized), James Arnold Taylor, Vanessa Marshall, and Dave Filoni himself.
I saw the Ghost three times, once on Yavin and twice over Scarif. That was the limit of it, right?
And of course there's tons of room to go beyond the Battle of Yavin too.
One thing we saw with Rogue One (and of course Rebels too) is that there's more to the Rebellion than just what we saw in the OT. So yeah, I'd gladly see the Ghost and Co stick around post Rogue One. Where was the rest of the Rebel fleet during the battle to destroy the Death Star? And for that matter, why weren't there any Star Destroyers? Did Tarkin assume none were needed to defend the Death Star, or were some Star Destroyers actively engaged with the Ghost and some other Rebel ships? Perhaps in an intentional attempt to give the Yavin rebels enough time to put Galen Erso's plan into motion.
And of course there's tons of room to go beyond the Battle of Yavin too.
It's mainly thanks to this show and The Clone Wars getting me invested in the character that I felt a surge of emotion in watching Bail's departure scene in Rogue One and realized it was, by in-story chronology, the last time we'd ever see him alive (unless some novel or comic comes along portraying his final hours on Alderaan). Although...
Bail's closing line "I'd trust [Leia] with my life" is kind of ironic, since she actually failed to save his life (though she made her best effort under the circumstances). So one could argue, if one were so inclined, that his trust was misplaced. I kind of wish they'd chosen a different valedictory utterance for him.
Also, if anyone saw this as their first Star Wars movie, or had only seen the OT and not the prequels or the shows, would they have had a clue who Jimmy Smits's character was? The moment where Bail stepped out of the shadows was played as a big moment, but it relied entirely on the audience recognizing him. And I don't remember if he was addressed by name later.
Also, if anyone saw this as their first Star Wars movie, or had only seen the OT and not the prequels or the shows, would they have had a clue who Jimmy Smits's character was? The moment where Bail stepped out of the shadows was played as a big moment, but it relied entirely on the audience recognizing him. And I don't remember if he was addressed by name later.
Actually the Ghost is seen quite a bit over Scarif, though usually hidden in the corner of the screen. Typically you can usually spot it in almost any shot that features the flagship. They seem to be on fighter screen/escort duty.
Also...
A summons for "General Syndulla" can be heard over the base tannoy and Chopper can be seen trundling by Mon Mothma as she's about to leave.
Considering
that in Rogue One, they mention going to get a Jedi (as in Obi-Wan) and nobody says "hey, well we got two already hanging around our base" I guess they're not around. I mean they could go for the classic they're not "real" Jedi excuse, but that would be a bit of a cop out.
He survives everything.
I hope we see him in Episode VIII
I was just having that thought as well... When Leia sends her message to Obi-Wan saying he is their "only hope", if they were indeed still around, I would imagine they'd be raising their hands saying "Ummm.. What are we, chopped liver??"
It could be argued that they NEED Obi-Wan simply because of Vader's presence and his experience in dealing with the Empire/Emperor.. And that the boys are off on some other "damn fool" mission in another part of the galaxy...
If Hondo's managed to make it this long without getting killed by any of the countless people he's double-crossed, he's probably gonna live forever. He is one with the Force, and the Force is with him.
At that particular moment, with Vader after her trying to retrieve the plans and the Tantive IV over Tatooine, getting the plans to Kenobi really was Leia's only hope. She didn't have the chance to get the plans to anyone else before she was captured, and if Vader had recovered the plans, then the Death Star would've been unstoppable and the Rebellion and any world that harbored them would've been doomed. So it was more of a situational only hope than an absolute one.
Besides, the Ghost had just fled from Scarif about 10 hours before (I read somewhere that that's the interval between the movies), so they may have been under Imperial pursuit somewhere else. Maybe they got in their own spot of trouble, explaining why they weren't present at the Battle of Yavin.
At that particular moment, with Vader after her trying to retrieve the plans and the Tantive IV over Tatooine, getting the plans to Kenobi really was Leia's only hope. She didn't have the chance to get the plans to anyone else before she was captured, and if Vader had recovered the plans, then the Death Star would've been unstoppable and the Rebellion and any world that harbored them would've been doomed. So it was more of a situational only hope than an absolute one.
Besides, the Ghost had just fled from Scarif about 10 hours before (I read somewhere that that's the interval between the movies), so they may have been under Imperial pursuit somewhere else. Maybe they got in their own spot of trouble, explaining why they weren't present at the Battle of Yavin.
So somewhere during that 10 hour span, with the Tantive IV in increasing danger of being overtaken. Leia reached out to her father for ideas and he said "You're not too far from Tattoine... There's someone there who can help..."
That makes sense....
NOW, the only thing that doesn't make sense to me is the age difference between Bail Organa and Obi Wan.. I always thought that Bail would be older than Obi Wan.. But clearly, Bail still looks relatively vigorous/youn in Rogue One, whereas Obi Wan looks to be much older (in ANH). I guess living in the desert all those years takes a toll on the skin and bones. It's just a movie.. it's just a movie...
That makes sense....
NOW, the only thing that doesn't make sense to me is the age difference between Bail Organa and Obi Wan.. I always thought that Bail would be older than Obi Wan.. But clearly, Bail still looks relatively vigorous/youn in Rogue One, whereas Obi Wan looks to be much older (in ANH). I guess living in the desert all those years takes a toll on the skin and bones. It's just a movie.. it's just a movie...
If the Rebellion believes as Ezra does, than Kenobi is their only hope to destroying the Sith and thus bringing down the Empire. Kanan might be powerful but he is not deluded into thinking he can defeat Darth Vader. Therefore he knows that and Ezra can't be what is needed to win the war, only to make sure it can continue until "hope" arrives.
While it is clear that Luke didn't really get much, if any training between the death of Kenobi and finding Yoda, it is not impossible that he could have gotten a pointer or two from Ezra or Kanan in those three years, assuming they crossed paths at some point, which given the prominence of the Ghost in this early Rebellion, would make sense. If they still live.
However by Endor, or even Hoth, it seems likely Kanan and Ezra are gone (dead or otherwise removed from the Light) due to Yoda's claim that Luke will be the last of the Jedi. And certainly by the time of TFA, if Luke is the only Jedi Master around.
While it is clear that Luke didn't really get much, if any training between the death of Kenobi and finding Yoda, it is not impossible that he could have gotten a pointer or two from Ezra or Kanan in those three years, assuming they crossed paths at some point, which given the prominence of the Ghost in this early Rebellion, would make sense. If they still live.
However by Endor, or even Hoth, it seems likely Kanan and Ezra are gone (dead or otherwise removed from the Light) due to Yoda's claim that Luke will be the last of the Jedi. And certainly by the time of TFA, if Luke is the only Jedi Master around.
Considering how untrained or unknowledgeable he seemed when he went to Dagobah, it seems unlikely he ever got any pointers from Kanan. For one thing, he would have wanted a lot more than just a pointer or two. He would have insisted on full training.
And yes, considering how prominent both Luke and the Ghost were in the Rebellion, there's no way they wouldn't have crossed paths heavily, which means Kanan is most likely not with the Rebellion anymore pre-Hoth. Which means either Kanan is dead, or he was so distraught over failing to train Ezra/Supreme Leader Snoke that he walled off the Force entirely and got cybernetic eye implants to see again.