Star Wars Rebels Season One (spoilers)

[ALF]

It's really got to be that only Yoda, Obi Wan and Bail Organa know that Anakin became/died-was-reborn-as Vader. Order 66 played out quickly and that was the intention. The average Joe in the Star Wars Universe should be completely in the dark about who is inside the mask.

That makes me realize we likely aren't even getting the Ahsoka/Vader (fanwank) duel. She would have no idea who Vader really is. Yoda, Obi Wan or Bail would have to tell her, and why would they?

 

[Christopher]

Well, Obi-Wan told Luke that Vader killed Anakin. I'd assume that if there were public records or news archives about how Anakin died, Obi-Wan would be aware of them and would've told Luke the official story, otherwise Luke could've just checked the records and found that Obi-Wan had lied. So it seems reasonable that the public account is that Vader killed Anakin.

 

[kirk55555]

It's really got to be that only Yoda, Obi Wan and Bail Organa know that Anakin became/died-was-reborn-as Vader. Order 66 played out quickly and that was the intention. The average Joe in the Star Wars Universe should be completely in the dark about who is inside the mask.

That makes me realize we likely aren't even getting the Ahsoka/Vader (fanwank) duel. She would have no idea who Vader really is. Yoda, Obi Wan or Bail would have to tell her, and why would they?

Why wouldn't they tell Ashoka? Assuming she becomes involved in the rebellion in some fashion, or eventually contacts Obi Wan or Yoda (something that seems possible), Bail/Obi Wan/Yoda have no reason not to tell her, its not like she's going to storm Coruscant and duel him at that point. She's trustworthy, and its not like she can't be trusted to keep it a secret.

 

[Reverend]

That makes me realize we likely aren't even getting the Ahsoka/Vader (fanwank) duel. She would have no idea who Vader really is. Yoda, Obi Wan or Bail would have to tell her, and why would they?

I think it's safe to say that if/when Ahsoka comes face-to-face with Vader, she'll sense who he really is. Vader was able to sense when Obi Wan was nearby and his bond with Ahsoka was arguable as strong as with Kenobi.

Well, Obi-Wan told Luke that Vader killed Anakin. I'd assume that if there were public records or news archives about how Anakin died, Obi-Wan would be aware of them and would've told Luke the official story, otherwise Luke could've just checked the records and found that Obi-Wan had lied. So it seems reasonable that the public account is that Vader killed Anakin.

Well, that's even assuming said records are available to the public (much less rebel pilots on the run!) The Empire doesn't strike me as being big on the whole "freedom of information" thing.

You'd think if there were any records to find, Luke would have done so back when he thought his father was a navigator on a spice freighter.

 

[Ithekro]

That does make one wonder why Vader didn't go after Ahsoka. But maybe that is something he's rather forget and also one of those things he'd let slide. Maybe in penance for the death of his wife.

Though Vader might just try to find her to become his Sith apprentence just to spite Palpatine. The Light and Dark did give Ahsoka a vision of what she would become if she stayed with Anakin.

 

[Mr Light]

I always wondered what the public story was on these things. Palpatine was publically endorsing Anakin for his decade as a Jedi, so why not just tell people that Anakin was the one loyal Jedi who didn't try a coup? Wouldn't that help him to maintain his benevolent image as he slowly takes everything other? The early days of the Empire were still a tentative dictatorship before he consolidated control.

 

[Reverend]

^There's certainly a precedent where Dooku publicly retained his old identity, all the while his "true self" as Darth Tyranus was largely unknown, even among his inner circle. It's implied that in TCW that even the Kaminoans never knew that Tyranus and Dooku were one and the same. Indeed, I'm not even sure if Ventress knew him by his Sith name.

Mind you, Vader wasn't originally supposed to be Anakin Skywalker, he was supposed to be another Jedi that Kenobi trained, just as he said. The thing about retcons is that they frequently leave such logical oddities.

 

[Christopher]

Nice touch in "Empire Day," using the Imperial March as, well, the actual Imperial march, in an up-tempo and (I think) major-key version used diegetically in the news broadcast and the parade. That's one case where the show's quoting of familiar themes actually makes perfect sense. (Though the paraphrase of Yoda's Theme when Ezra was staring out from his tower home thingy made no sense whatsoever.)

 

[Hound of UIster]

Random throughout the second: Has it ever been addressed what the official (in-universe) story is regarding Vader and Anakin? Obviously it's not common knowledge, or easily looked up otherwise Luke wouldn't have been shocked and Kenobi wouldn't have needed to obfuscate. Was Anakin officially considered part of the Jedi coup and listed as KIA or where his records simply expunged? Did Palpatine bother to come up with a fake backstory for Vader, or did he just show up without any explanation as to his authority?

Possibly the closest we've had is from the Novel The Rise Of Darth Vader.

In there it's said that Anakin Skywalker was believed to have died when the Jedi were wiped out but one or two people have their suspicious about Vader and who he is under the mask iirc.

In Stover's Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor, one of the accounts from a former officer fighting in the Clone War is that they thought he had died defending younglings during the Jedi temple massacre.

 

[Mr Light]

"Empire Day" was a good episode. It's funny I just finished reading A New Dawn the night before, and in this episode we had an Imperial data tech given cybernetic implants for increased efficiency just like in the novel!

Who else has read the book? It was pretty good but the story itself was pretty small. It was really interesting to see pre-series Kanan and Hera and the author gave Kanan some really excellent one-liners. I now see Kanan as the Han Solo of this show rather than the Obi Wan.

 

[Christopher]

I now see Kanan as the Han Solo of this show rather than the Obi Wan.

I wish. It's when he's spouting boilerplate Force lessons to Ezra that he's least interesting as a character. Although I'm hard-pressed to think of any point when he has managed to be interesting.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Just saw the next episode, "Gathering Forces" On Demand this morning, and I think it was just awesome, placing the series above The Clone Wars for me. There's a couple of surprises from Ezra here that I think will have people viewing him differently.

And as far as who Fulcrum is...

Spoiler: Fulcrum's identity

a very familiar-looking ship at the end of the episode may give a hint.

 

[Stephen!]

Alternative streaming of "Gathering Forces"

 

[davejames]

I wish. It's when he's spouting boilerplate Force lessons to Ezra that he's least interesting as a character. Although I'm hard-pressed to think of any point when he has managed to be interesting.

To me the times that he's most interesting is when he's in his serious, no-nonsense smuggler mode, and speaking frankly about the need to make money at the same time they're striking out at the Empire. Or when he's leading a mission like in Rise of the Old Masters and isn't in the mood for Ezra's silliness.

What doesn't work as well is when he's being all loose and goofy, or trying to do his Obi-Wan Kenobi impression. And unfortunately those are the things the show seems to be focusing on with him more and more lately.

 

[Ithekro]

Interesting. The Empire certainly has its share of toys. Though the Ghost seems to be rather more armed than most freighters. Maybe not, depends on what one considers powerful.

 

[Neroon]

Alternative streaming of "Gathering Forces"

Sorry, but "No!"

 

[Basill]

I always wondered what the public story was on these things. Palpatine was publically endorsing Anakin for his decade as a Jedi, so why not just tell people that Anakin was the one loyal Jedi who didn't try a coup? Wouldn't that help him to maintain his benevolent image as he slowly takes everything other? The early days of the Empire were still a tentative dictatorship before he consolidated control.

Something tells me that was more to stroke Anakin's ego than seduce the general public. Palpatine was always thinking two steps ahead and four potential leaps off that. If Anakin hadn't been cut down by Obi-Wan he might have done precisely that, but with the Vader suit in play, it was a perfect opportunity to create, anew, a dark and mysterious henchman to strike fear into the hearts of the newly Imperialized citizens.

It might have actually come to bite the Emperor in the bum; As Luke began to get popular within the Rebel forces, his name alone might have carried some weight. As rumors and stories of his exploits almost certainly began to spread across the galaxy after Yavin, people might have been even more inspired to join the Rebel cause and follow the son of a fallen Jedi hero struck down in his prime. Despite the propagandistic and information suppression methods employed by the Empire, those rumors certainly got Vader's attention.

PS... "Gathering Forces" was awesome!

 

[Mr Light]

http://www.thewolfpackpodcast.com/n...fter-gathering-forces-and-return-january-2015

"Gathering Forces" last new episode until January 5th.

 

[Stephen!]

The episode also brings up the question of who the Inquisitor's master is. Since after Kanan/Ezra escape, he states that his master wont be pleased. It could just be "master", as in, someone higher up in the empire, that he's subordinate to. Or more of an apprentice / master relationship. Although it's been stated that he's not a Sith.

 

[Reverend]

The Inquisitor has been seen reporting directly to Vader. It's a fair bet that's who he's talking about. Keep in mind that he need not be a Sith to have one as his master, I imagine Vader has many such servants. Indeed, Ventress is a pretty apt example; despite what she may have claimed, or told herself, she was never a Sith.

The last few episodes have shown a steady improvement and I like that they're giving Ezra some depth. Up until now he's mostly been a two dimensional (child) audience surrogate, mostly alternating between squabbling with Chopper & Zeb and dispensing clichéd one-liners in action scenes.

As for Fulcrum's ship...well it could be as obvious as it looks, or a it could be a red herring since it is so very iconic. I'm still holding out for Leia....or perhaps even a version of Winter?