Star Wars Rebels Season One (spoilers)

[Reverend]

But there again, 19 or 20 is a big jump from 14 or 15. Even if she started when she was 17 or 18, she would have grown up a lot in those couple of years.

Like I said, at this point (again, in theory) she wouldn't be in the field herself, but using her access to co-ordinate and feed information through channels and cover her tracks. She could very well be doing the whole thing from a holonet terminal on Coruscant, or Alderaan. I mean why not? That's pretty much what Palpatine did for the most part.

Even now, it's extremely hard to think about 19 or 20 year olds dying in combat, but they do. But to think about 15 year old dying in combat is a horrific thought and the business of monstrous terror groups.

How many 14 year olds do you think the French Resistance used to run reconnaissance, carry information or even fight during WWII? Hell, allot of the soldiers that invaded Normandy and the bomber crews that levelled Berlin were in the 16-19 year old range. Officially or otherwise; I know for example my grandfather lied about his age to get into the army prior to WWII. One imagines that sort of thing only increased after the war broke out.

Not sure exactly when the practice stopped, but the Royal Navy employed cabin boys of the 14-16 age range and it wasn't as if they got to go somewhere safe when the shooting started, or spared when a ship was boarded. Midshipman also started at around that age I believe, many of whom were of nobility. Sadly, history is replete with such examples and it's not just the work of third world warlords and militant extremists.

 

[davejames]

I suppose it could be Leia, but I can't really see Filoni wanting to bring her into the show this early on (even peripherally), when we still have yet to see even Lando.

If Fulcrum is from the OT, I'd be more inclined to think it's a more minor character like Mon Mothma.

 

[Mr Light]

I'm finding it really annoying how they're releasing episodes on select services a full week before they air on Disney XD. Thanks to BBSes and Facebook groups I manage to get completely spoiled on things a week before it even airs!

 

[Ithekro]

Be funny if it was Lando. Though I'm not sure if he'd stick his neck out that far just yet. He's probably still got the Millenium Falcon at this point.

Government official type or Rebel sympathizer in Imperial ranks is likely.

 

[Cutter John]

Yeah, I have a hard time imagining a 14 year old Princess having the connections to run an operation like this.

 

[Reverend]

Yeah, I have a hard time imagining a 14 year old Princess having the connections to run an operation like this.

I can see her using her "father's" diplomatic access to cultivate those connections. A little information gathering here, a discrete message left there. The right person tapped in the field to do the legwork and you have yourself a working intelligence network.

Also keep in mind that at this point, there is no Rebel Alliance in the way we saw in the movies. From what I gather it's just a bunch of small groups and independent activists. So it's not as if she's coordinating a million strong army, just

That aside (again, assuming it's even Leia at all) her actions could be being guided by her empathic connection the the force, making sure she finds and picks the right people to trust; like Hera. I mean why not, the will of the force is credited with bringing Anakin & Qui Gon together and for landing Leia's droids in Luke's lap. Why can't it be guiding Leia's instincts, even if she doesn't realise that's what's going on?

 

[ALF]

I'm finding it really annoying how they're releasing episodes on select services a full week before they air on Disney XD. Thanks to BBSes and Facebook groups I manage to get completely spoiled on things a week before it even airs!

Tell me about it. It makes it kind of difficult to discuss all at once, with most of us either a week ahead or a week behind.

I'm watching Out of the Darkness again. I think there's a clue here in Sabine drilling Hera for intel.

Sabine: "Maybe he's still here."
Hera: "Who?"
Sabine: "Fulcrum."
Hera: "No."
Sabine: "Well, who else knows about this place?"
Hera: "I'm not sure. It was abandoned years ago, after The Clone Wars."​

Isn't that exchange meant to imply that the contact has some connection to The Clone Wars? Does anyone recognize the asteroid base from an episode of TCW? They didn't mention the location of the base during the episode. I like how the shield generators resemble the one on Hoth.

Lando's back story is more or less a clean slate, right? With the EU expunged. Would he really be helping the Rebellion at all though, considering how he caved to Vader during ESB?

 

[Marc]

I'm finding it really annoying how they're releasing episodes on select services a full week before they air on Disney XD. Thanks to BBSes and Facebook groups I manage to get completely spoiled on things a week before it even airs!

I don't get too annoyed at the spoilers but it's a pain trying keep track because of all the different releases dates.

People are talking about Empire Day but that won't show in Canada on Disney XD until Next Sunday.

 

[FPAlpha]

Lando's back story is more or less a clean slate, right? With the EU expunged. Would he really he helping the Rebellion at all though, considering how he caved to Vader during ESB?

I don't believe it's Lando even if you only take his characterization from the movies which are currently the only canon sources left after the old EU got canned.

Lando is an opportunist out to make a few credits for himself and such people rarely pick sides even in secret because they have nothing to gain doing it but they risk losing everything with an opponent like the Empire so it's implausible.

He only had a change of heart after Vader forced his hand by torturing a close friend (whom he betrayed.. under duress or not doesn't matter) and because the Bespin undertaking was done as soon as the Empire has set its eyes on it (anyone really believes they would just leave?).

My guess it'll be one of the early rebellion leaders like Mon Mothma or Bail Organa providing support as Fulcrum and setting up the Rebellion bit by bit. They may be in the very early stages which is why there is no "official" rumors let alone a military structure but they are getting there (i could also see the crew being involved in the "theft" of the very first X-Wing's and their plans from Incom in one later episode).

Personally the show still doesn't blow me out of the water due to many factors but then it's only 22 minutes a week and it's Star Wars

 

[cylkoth]

Obviously, Fulcrum will turn out to be.... Jar-Jar.

Sigh...Jar-Jar...

 

[CorporalClegg]

Maybe Fulcrum is someone who comes around every thousand years?

 

[C.E. Evans]

Lando's back story is more or less a clean slate, right? With the EU expunged. Would he really he helping the Rebellion at all though, considering how he caved to Vader during ESB?

I don't believe it's Lando even if you only take his characterization from the movies which are currently the only canon sources left after the old EU got canned.

As such, the only thing we know now about Lando is that he was once a gambler and businessman. Anything else remains to be seen, although his actions at the Battle of Taanab was enough to convince the Rebellion to award him a generalship and command of the strikeforce against the Second Death Star.

Lando is an opportunist out to make a few credits for himself and such people rarely pick sides even in secret because they have nothing to gain doing it but they risk losing everything with an opponent like the Empire so it's implausible.

Sounds like Lando was very much like Han Solo, Ezra Bridger, and likely countless others trying to survive under the thumb of the Empire.

He only had a change of heart after Vader forced his hand by torturing a close friend (whom he betrayed.. under duress or not doesn't matter)

Actually, it does very much matter because it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't under duress.

and because the Bespin undertaking was done as soon as the Empire has set its eyes on it (anyone really believes they would just leave?).

There probably were many instances in which the Empire does leave various settlements alone and allow them to operate without interference...as long as they stay in line. There might be an argument though that it was becoming less and less the case as the Empire continued to consolidate its control over the galaxy. Even after Cloud City fell to the Empire, though, Lando could have simply cut his losses and tried to start another enterprise somewhere else, but he decided to throw his lot in with the Rebellion instead. Not exactly the safest side to pick for an opportunist.

 

[Ithekro]

If I recall, Cloud City was into Tabana gas mining. That is used for a bunch of stuff, but the under the table stuff Lando was hoping to evade the Empire over was high end blaster gas production, for clients. Possibly even for the Rebellion.

 

[C.E. Evans]

The only thing for sure we can say about Cloud City now was that it was an independent settlement that did Tibanna gas mining and was thought to be too far away and small to be noticed by the Empire. All we know about Lando's time as administrator there was that he dealt with both supply and labor issues.

 

[Reverend]

Yeah I can't see Lando having any central role in the rebellion this early on. A run in or two, sure, but I *seriously* doubt he's "Fulcrum".

 

[ALF]

RebelsReport altered the pitch of Fulcrum's voice and deduced that it was female.

The Wolf Pack (podcast) suggests it's Ahsoka based on a visual clue on one of the crates. Do you guys think it resembles familiar face markings?



If it's her, the Rebels crew may not meet her for a while, maybe at the end of this short season? Maybe at the end of the series? But I hope we, the audience, still gets to see Ashoka in obscurity helping to weave the Rebel Alliance together.

 

[B.J.]

I was wondering what that symbol was supposed to mean. I had hoped I hadn't missed something somewhere about it.

 

[davejames]

I'm not really sure why Ashoka would bother disguising her voice though. It's not like Hera or the other rebels she talks to would really be able to recognize it anyway, or know who she was.

 

[Reverend]

I'm not really sure why Ashoka would bother disguising her voice though. It's not like Hera or the other rebels she talks to would really be able to recognize it anyway, or know who she was.

Whoever it is, they're committing treason against a totalitarian Empire run by a particularly nasty Sith Lord. Probably not the wisest move to give *anyone* a clue as to your identity, even on an encoded frequency. Transmissions can be intercepted, codes can be broken. Distorting the voice is just one more layer of protection.

*If* it's Ahsoka, it's a fair bet the Empire has her voice pattern, DNA, retina and facial recog pattern on file (along with every other Jedi who's records they pulled from the temple archives) so it's quite plausible they'd be able to pull a match, even from a transmission fragment. Just them knowing she's still alive and out there would be dangerous for her.

One interesting implication that arises if it is Ahsoka is where would she be getting her resources and information from? When last we saw her, she was effectively homeless and destitute on the streets of Coruscant. She would have to have linked up with someone with access. Bail would be the more obvious choice and it brings to mind something someone said back when TCW first ended: That it'd be cool if the new series were to show Leia on Alderaan being looked after by a familiar looking Togruta nanny...

Random thought: what if Fulcrum is Ventress? Now *that* would be quite the twist!

Random thought the second: Has it ever been addressed what the official (in-universe) story is regarding Vader and Anakin? Obviously it's not common knowledge, or easily looked up otherwise Luke wouldn't have been shocked and Kenobi wouldn't have needed to obfuscate. Was Anakin officially considered part of the Jedi coup and listed as KIA or where his records simply expunged? Did Palpatine bother to come up with a fake backstory for Vader, or did he just show up without any explanation as to his authority?

 

[Marc]

Random throughout the second: Has it ever been addressed what the official (in-universe) story is regarding Vader and Anakin? Obviously it's not common knowledge, or easily looked up otherwise Luke wouldn't have been shocked and Kenobi wouldn't have needed to obfuscate. Was Anakin officially considered part of the Jedi coup and listed as KIA or where his records simply expunged? Did Palpatine bother to come up with a fake backstory for Vader, or did he just show up without any explanation as to his authority?

Possibly the closest we've had is from the Novel The Rise Of Darth Vader.

In there it's said that Anakin Skywalker was believed to have died when the Jedi were wiped out but one or two people have their suspicious about Vader and who he is under the mask iirc.