ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
sorry, been a long day!
Star Wars: Question on ROTS?
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ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
such a great show. why arent more ppl talking about it on here?
There are Clone Wars series threads here. We had a series three thread all season long. Same thing for season two. There will no doubt be a season four thread when it returns in Oct. You could try using the search to find them if you are interested in talking about the series.
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
i'm really starting to enjoy the show.
was the show talked about anywhere else?
was the show talked about anywhere else?
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
does anyone have a list of times where the 'magnaguards' appeared? or any other time a powerful droid appeared?
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
ok, i just found a list if anyone is interested:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/IG-100_MagnaGuard
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/IG-100_MagnaGuard
Come back in the fall, we'll be yakking up a storm.
My policy will be to collect the two- and three-parters on the DVR before watching anything. Only then will I be jumping into the thread. I find the half-hour format too F R U S T R A T I N G ! ! !
Just as the story gets going, it ends!
Oooh looky, S4 preview.
Just eye candy, nothing on the ongoing plotlines and little on the main characters but a glimpse. I guess it's a bit early to start teasing on substance.
Just eye candy, nothing on the ongoing plotlines and little on the main characters but a glimpse. I guess it's a bit early to start teasing on substance.
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
does anyone know why sidious didn't just make the droids come under his command instead of deactivating them all?
He wanted the Republic to win the CW so he could become emperor, and that required the end of the seperatists and their droid armies.
However, in the Expanded Universe the Empire does some research into Battle droids, such as reviving the IG series (Hence ESB's bounty hunter) and the Darktroopers (From the video games). Drone fighters also appear in the EU. Funny thing is, a lot of these came out before the prequels.
BTW if you're interested in droids I would suggest getting this book:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Essential_Guide_to_Droids
It should answer a great deal of your questions.
However, in the Expanded Universe the Empire does some research into Battle droids, such as reviving the IG series (Hence ESB's bounty hunter) and the Darktroopers (From the video games). Drone fighters also appear in the EU. Funny thing is, a lot of these came out before the prequels.
BTW if you're interested in droids I would suggest getting this book:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Essential_Guide_to_Droids
It should answer a great deal of your questions.
It's funny, nothing was on so I'm watching the prequel trilogy again today and there must be deleted scenes in it because I don't remember the scene with Anakin and Obiwan talking after Anakin is allowed on the Jedi council and Anakin says to Obiwan why are you asking me to go against the laws of the Jedi and the Republic when asked to spy on Palpitine.
It makes Anakin a more sympathetic character and shows that the Jedi, not Anakin, are not quite the good guys that they would like people to believe.
It makes Anakin a more sympathetic character and shows that the Jedi, not Anakin, are not quite the good guys that they would like people to believe.
The problem with that scene is that the Jedi wanting to spy on Palps represents them finally getting a clue at long last. I didn't notice or care about the moral dimensions, if any, of the situation. All such thoughts were evicted by the relief and even joy that I felt that this story finally was allowing the good guys to do something other than stand around looking like total idiots. It's demoralizing to be forced to root for idiots.
But Anakin, bless his heart, firmly refuses to be budged from chump-hood. Not sure that's the kind of principled stand I can get behind.
The moral superiority of the Jedi was destroyed when they decided to go ahead and clone sentient beings as cannon fodder to defend a Republic so corrupt, it apparently was incapable of inspiring its citizens to volunteer to defend it. Obviously, whatever moral code they're operating under is so foreign to my understanding of such things that no plotline that hinges on morality will make any sense. I would have been satisfied to see the Jedi simply acting smarter.
But Anakin, bless his heart, firmly refuses to be budged from chump-hood. Not sure that's the kind of principled stand I can get behind.
The moral superiority of the Jedi was destroyed when they decided to go ahead and clone sentient beings as cannon fodder to defend a Republic so corrupt, it apparently was incapable of inspiring its citizens to volunteer to defend it. Obviously, whatever moral code they're operating under is so foreign to my understanding of such things that no plotline that hinges on morality will make any sense. I would have been satisfied to see the Jedi simply acting smarter.
The problem with that scene is that the Jedi wanting to spy on Palps represents them finally getting a clue at long last. I didn't notice or care about the moral dimensions, if any, of the situation. All such thoughts were evicted by the relief and even joy that I felt that this story finally was allowing the good guys to do something other than stand around looking like total idiots. It's demoralizing to be forced to root for idiots.
But Anakin, bless his heart, firmly refuses to be budged from chump-hood. Not sure that's the kind of principled stand I can get behind.
The moral superiority of the Jedi was destroyed when they decided to go ahead and clone sentient beings as cannon fodder to defend a Republic so corrupt, it apparently was incapable of inspiring its citizens to volunteer to defend it. Obviously, whatever moral code they're operating under is so foreign to my understanding of such things that no plotline that hinges on morality will make any sense. I would have been satisfied to see the Jedi simply acting smarter.
The Jedi didn't create the clone army while it was Sifo-Dias who made the order it didn't come from the Jedi. And Palpatine had foreseen that Anakin would be used a spy against him which is why used Anakin as a spy against them. It was Palpatine who created both sides of the war in the first place in the end he used everybody.
The Jedi were sure happy to put it to use, as opposed to what they should have done, namely realizing what a horrific violation of human rights it represented. They should have shut it down immediately and set about rehabilitating the poor clones who existed, so that they could become useful citizens for the Republic without having to be sent into battle. Given the way they were created and raised, there's no way they can be assumed to be giving informed consent about any decision to fight. It's like sending children into battle (hey, the Jedi do that, too! Where's the ICC when you really need it?)
The fact that the Jedi didn't do this is morally repugnant, that is by 21st C Earth standards. So apparently the Jedi, and the larger society, operate on standards that are distinctly different than our own. By our standards, if the Jedi can't be trusted to stand up for the rights of poor, oppressed clones, they're useless as an organization and should be disbanded. That's why any story based on the morality of the Jedi is nonsensical.
The fact that the Jedi didn't do this is morally repugnant, that is by 21st C Earth standards. So apparently the Jedi, and the larger society, operate on standards that are distinctly different than our own. By our standards, if the Jedi can't be trusted to stand up for the rights of poor, oppressed clones, they're useless as an organization and should be disbanded. That's why any story based on the morality of the Jedi is nonsensical.
This sentence makes no sense, and as such, it is a perfect expression of the essence of the prequels.
Which is why the prequels are such a total failure as a story. Palps is the only character who actually does anything effective, until very late in the story, by which time it's too late. It's like watching a tennis match with one player hitting the ball off the wall to himself. What fun!
Regarding the Republic army, one plot point in AOTC is that the Republic is actually in the process of a "Military creation act". The Republic, judging by dialogue in the films, has no military as of the TPM/AOTC time frame unless you count the Jedi and small system militia like Naboo. It just happens that the Clone Army pops up at the right time.....
I also think some of the Clone Wars media does have regular soldiers and officers in addition to the clones and Jedi. Unfortunately, we don't really see the Imperial naval officers until the very end of the trilogy film-wise.
I also think some of the Clone Wars media does have regular soldiers and officers in addition to the clones and Jedi. Unfortunately, we don't really see the Imperial naval officers until the very end of the trilogy film-wise.
Is it confirmed that Sifo-Dyas actually exists? I thought he might have been a pseudonym used by Dooku or even Sidious to avoid attracting undue attention. Isn't it a bit too convenient that we never actually see him, none of the other Jedi seem to know who he is, yet he is the one who ordered the clone army from Kamino?
Which is why the prequels are such a total failure as a story. Palps is the only character who actually does anything effective, until very late in the story, by which time it's too late. It's like watching a tennis match with one player hitting the ball off the wall to himself. What fun!
In my all-time favorite DS9 episode, Improbable Cause, Dr. Bashir and Garak argue over the merits of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. Garak dismisses it saying that it was completely predictable, he knew Brutus would kill Caesar right away but Caesar never knew until the knife was in his back. Bashir argues that this is why it is compelling. It was Caesar's blindness to the threat so close that made him a tragic character. (Garak realizes the truth of this later at Tain's fall.) The Greeks and Romans explored the idea of hubris a lot in their literature and Shakespeare picked up on it nicely.
I doubt you would call Julius Caesar a failure as a story. The Jedi as portrayed in the prequels are not stupid, but they have a blind spot. They have become so comfortable, so sure of themselves that they cannot conceive that a Sith Lord could get so close to them without them knowing about it. Yoda himself notes that they have all become too sure of themselves. Jocasta Nu dismisses Obi-Wan's suggested that they might not know of Kamino because "If it's not in the database, it does not exist." What you call a failure, I call a spectacular examination of hubris.
The Jedi in Star Wars were not a perfectly good and moral group who were defeated by a superior enemy. They were a flawed group who let down their guard and were defeated by an enemy who was cunning and patient. I know you really do not like the prequels at all, but they are not failures simply because they are not what you want them to be.
I'm sure he existed since it was mentioned that he was killed some ten years before the events of Ep. II. I'm sure he was killed to prevent him from telling the Jedi about the clone army.
ReadyAndWilling
Fleet Captain
ok, thanks i'll check it out.
does anyone know why they didn't give vader's burned body the body that grevious had? grevious could run along walls and the ceiling like he was walking on the beach.
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