Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

[Doctorwhovian]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Regarding the SSD in Courtship of Princess Leia, it was the Imperial warlord's ship. Han thought he destroyed it but it reappears later in the novel. This is explained in further detail in the X-wing Wraith Squadron novels which take place around the same time.


As for Han as a captain/commander, he did have some Imperial training according to Lucas's backstory notes. The AC Crispin Han Solo trilogy expanded on this a bit.


In the EU the Republic does eventually capture a Super Star Destroyer, the Luksanya (Until the Enemy lines part of the NJO).

 

[Set Harth]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

As for Han as a captain/commander, he did have some Imperial training according to Lucas's backstory notes. The AC Crispin Han Solo trilogy expanded on this a bit.

We see Han in a brief cameo as an Imperial cadet in the comic Blood and Honor.

 

[JD]

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I could kind of see the Rebels or whatever they call themselves using SSDs, but I'm not sure what I think of Han commanding one. I never really saw him as someone who would be commanding a big military ship like that. I hope he at least still uses the Falcon as his personal ship.

 

[Skywalker]

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I don't see a problem with a flag officer in an organized military force commanding an actual warship.

 

[JoeZhang]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Regarding the SSD in Courtship of Princess Leia, it was the Imperial warlord's ship. Han thought he destroyed it but it reappears later in the novel. This is explained in further detail in the X-wing Wraith Squadron novels which take place around the same time.


As for Han as a captain/commander, he did have some Imperial training according to Lucas's backstory notes. The AC Crispin Han Solo trilogy expanded on this a bit.


In the EU the Republic does eventually capture a Super Star Destroyer, the Luksanya (Until the Enemy lines part of the NJO).

you guys have to free your minds from the previous paradigm - all that stuff was shitcanned so because X and Y happened in the books means less than nothing*




* obviously the writers can pick and mix from the books if they want but nobody should assume that will be the case.

 

[JacksonArcher]

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But at the same time... it IS really hard to beat the iconic power of the Sith. Any other villain or alien threat they try to create would most likely just feel like a derivative of some Trek or superhero movie villain, since we've seen nearly every possible variation of that kind of thing by now. And it's doubtful they'd be half as memorable or cool as the Sith and Empire anyway.

I don't mean any disrespect by this, but that seems like narrow-minded thinking. I feel like that's why Lindelof pushed Khan for Star Trek Into Darkness. "Well, he's one of Trek's most popular villains - might as well feature him". The Sith have been around for a while and they are definitely fairly memorable and iconic, but that doesn't mean a new villain can't just be as memorable or cool.

Jedi vs Sith is what really defines SW and separates it from all the other scifi and fantasy out there, and ultimately I think I'd like to hold onto that. Plus after all these years, I'd be seriously disappointed if I didn't get to see Luke Skywalker engage in one more epic lightsaber battle with someone.

I don't think the concept or idea of Jedi vs. Sith is what defines Star Wars, at least to me. When I think of Star Wars, I don't think automatically of that. I think of space adventure, fun, lightsabers, Luke, Han, Leia, Anakin, Obi-Wan, etc. I think more of the characters and the setting, which I think are the most iconic aspects of that particular universe.

I think that's what so many franchises and stories have tried to duplicate over the years. For example, Guardians of the Galaxy is being hailed because it mixes space opera and fun, plus it has really memorable characters. The villains aren't that memorable and neither is the conflict but that's not that matters. We care about our heroes and the setting is fun and exciting.

Now, to you Star Wars might be Jedi vs. Sith, but that might not be true for everyone else. Who knows. Maybe I'm in the minority. Haha. Regardless, I wouldn't be terribly upset if we got the Sith again - so long as it is a different variation of the Sith and not some Darth Vader knock-off - but I would prefer if we had new villains altogether. Hopefully the spin-offs will venture a bit deeper into the Star Wars lexicon to explore some of what the galaxy has to offer in terms of villains that aren't Sith, so there's always that.

 

[Mr Light]

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I agree that Star Wars movies should be about Jedi versus Sith. Or, at the very least, Jedi versus Dark Side evil people using lightsabers. As long as there's lightsaber duels!

 

[cooleddie74]

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I don't mind a little variety in the main villains over time to spice things up. After all, the James Bond franchise vacillated between campy, almost comic book-level villains in Mao jackets who plotted world domination and even human erradication to arms dealers, former agents gone bad/rogue and even a Central American drug lord. It's all in the writing and performances more than anything else.

That said, the core of Star Wars should always be the good guys/Rebels/Jedi versus practicioners of the Dark Side, whether those characters are actual Sith Lords or officially aligned with the Sith or neither. Just depict the epic struggle of Light/good versus Dark/evil and craft great villains. The rest will fall into place if the script's good.

 

[Mr Light]

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That's why, for as many strong points as it had, ultimately the Vong War just was not as satisfying a story.

 

[RoJoHen]

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I agree that Star Wars movies should be about Jedi versus Sith. Or, at the very least, Jedi versus Dark Side evil people using lightsabers. As long as there's lightsaber duels!

Agreed. Even if the Sith are destroyed, the Dark Side of the Force is still there for people to use.

 

[davejames]

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That said, the core of Star Wars should always be the good guys/Rebels/Jedi versus practicioners of the Dark Side, whether those characters are actual Sith Lords or officially aligned with the Sith or neither. Just depict the epic struggle of Light/good versus Dark/evil and craft great villains. The rest will fall into place if the script's good.

Yeah definitely agreed about that. The last thing I want is another story mired in boring politics and conspiracies, and a bunch of weak, undefined villains who are being manipulated by other villains who are acting like good guys...

There's nothing wrong with a bit of complexity in SW, but ultimately I still want a story with a strong, clear villain and threat for our heroes to fight (I mean it's no wonder TPM only truly comes alive and feels like SW when a snarling Darth Maul appears on screen).

And for god's sake, if you're going to have the story revolve around another mystery, at least make it genuinely mysterious this time. Lol

 

[davejames]

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I don't think the concept or idea of Jedi vs. Sith is what defines Star Wars, at least to me. When I think of Star Wars, I don't think automatically of that. I think of space adventure, fun, lightsabers, Luke, Han, Leia, Anakin, Obi-Wan, etc. I think more of the characters and the setting, which I think are the most iconic aspects of that particular universe.

Yeah I agree there's a lot more to SW than just the Sith. But when it comes to the major villain and threat, I just think they probably work best for the fantasy setting the series exists in.

I suppose there could be some other magical, dark force out there that might work, but the last thing I want is for it to be just some alien threat from an outside star system or something (like a lot of the novels and comics have done over the years). That risks making the world feeling a little too overtly scifi and Star Trekky for my taste.

 

[Mister Fandango]

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I wouldn't mind seeing a coven of witches as the villains, myself.

 

[cooleddie74]

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If there is another Sith villain in the new film (which appears increasingly likely based on the leaks about the Inquisitor character) I just hope they're exotic and different enough from the Emperor, Vader, Maul and Tyranus (Dooku) that it doesn't feel like just another Sith bad guy who wants to knock off our heroes, but something truly unique and creepy that will be just as memorable as Vader or even Darth Maul was in his own unique ways.

Just another guy who uses the Dark Side and carries a crimson red lightsaber won't be different enough. If the rumors and leaks are correct, I hope this Inquisitor is somebody truly malevolent and thrilling so they don't seem like just the next guy to wear black and swing a red lightsaber at a good guy.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

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One of the first things that comes to my mind when I think of Star Wars is the Force and when I think of the Force I think of the light and dark sides of it. For me the bad guys don't need to be Sith but the do need to be practitioners of the dark side of some kind. And then bounty hunters because they're cool.

 

[RoJoHen]

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I'm always a fan of ancient evils coming back to wreak havoc on the world. Does Star Wars have any of those? Maybe Sauron is looking for work?

Or maybe Darkseid from DC comics? He's already got the name!

 

[cooleddie74]

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Hmmm. Cryogenically-preserved Darth Bane is discovered adrift in a derelict spaceship and found to still be alive, then thawed out so that his ancient knowledge and powers can be used against the Rebels.


What?!?

 

[RoJoHen]

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Darth Bane Cat.

 

[Kelthaz]

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I'm always a fan of ancient evils coming back to wreak havoc on the world. Does Star Wars have any of those? Maybe Sauron is looking for work?

Or maybe Darkseid from DC comics? He's already got the name!

What, no Thanos? The one badass cosmic villain that they could legally use.

 

[RoJoHen]

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I'm pretty sure he's busy.