Eh, I'm willing to give J.J. and Lawrence Kasdan the benefit of the doubt right now. Actors' complaints don't always reflect the final quality and entertainment value of a film.
Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens
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As for other big rumor there...ehhhhh it's odd! But there may be precedent for it. I haven't read the EU but I am aware that the
weapon part of the death star was being built in one of the novels and is a hot commodity
If these rumors are true, why do they keep up-scaling/up-sizing the Death Star?
Also, that sounds very similar to the USS Vengeance which IMO was unnecessarily and unrealistically up-sized by JJ.
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There were a TON of Imperial superweapons in the Bantam era of the "Legends" EU it seemed as well as some of the earlier Dark Horse material. None of this is canon however, but kind of speaks of the lack of originality in a lot of Star Wars stuff.
Dark Empire had the World Devestators which were basically giant vacuum cleaners that scooped up raw material for new Imperial fighters and stuff. Made a mess of Admiral Ackbar's home planet too. Dark Empire II also had the Galaxy Gun which had missiles that could destroy planets. Then there's the Eclipse Star Destroyers which were bigger than Vader's ship in the OT and had superlasers too (Ironically the galaxy gun and Eclipse II destroyed each other pretty much if I recall).
Kevin J Anderson's Jedi Academy not only introduced a third Death Star (An incomplete prototype of the original) but also the Sun Crusher which could destroy stars. (Not a battlestation but actually a fighter-sized craft!)
Then his later novel Darksaber had the Hutts build a stripped-down Death star called the Darksaber, and the prior novel by Barbera Hambley had an Imperial 'battlemoon' hidden in an asteroid called The Eye Of Palpatine. Her last novel also had a plague.
Things seemed to be a little more sane during the later years with Stackpole and Zahn's return (Although the Correlian trilogy had Centerpoint Station), but the NJO had some powerful Vong stuff too (Which was mostly biomechanical in nature though).
Although the Prequel Trilogy movies largely just dealt a bit with the history of the Death Star as far as superweapons go, that didn't stop other concepts such as the Dark Reaper in the Clone Wars games and the Maleovalence from the early Clone Wars episodes which was an Ion Cannon(Star War's version of an EMP, seen knocking out a Star Destroyer's power in ESB's battle of Hoth)
I'm sure I'm missing a few.
Dark Empire had the World Devestators which were basically giant vacuum cleaners that scooped up raw material for new Imperial fighters and stuff. Made a mess of Admiral Ackbar's home planet too. Dark Empire II also had the Galaxy Gun which had missiles that could destroy planets. Then there's the Eclipse Star Destroyers which were bigger than Vader's ship in the OT and had superlasers too (Ironically the galaxy gun and Eclipse II destroyed each other pretty much if I recall).
Kevin J Anderson's Jedi Academy not only introduced a third Death Star (An incomplete prototype of the original) but also the Sun Crusher which could destroy stars. (Not a battlestation but actually a fighter-sized craft!)
Then his later novel Darksaber had the Hutts build a stripped-down Death star called the Darksaber, and the prior novel by Barbera Hambley had an Imperial 'battlemoon' hidden in an asteroid called The Eye Of Palpatine. Her last novel also had a plague.
Things seemed to be a little more sane during the later years with Stackpole and Zahn's return (Although the Correlian trilogy had Centerpoint Station), but the NJO had some powerful Vong stuff too (Which was mostly biomechanical in nature though).
Although the Prequel Trilogy movies largely just dealt a bit with the history of the Death Star as far as superweapons go, that didn't stop other concepts such as the Dark Reaper in the Clone Wars games and the Maleovalence from the early Clone Wars episodes which was an Ion Cannon(Star War's version of an EMP, seen knocking out a Star Destroyer's power in ESB's battle of Hoth)
I'm sure I'm missing a few.
Strange, because earlier it was said that everyone involved couldn't have been more pumped and excited about the movie they were making. And that seemed to extend to more than just the actors.
Although honestly if JJ going more old school with the story and effects means it doesn't feel quite as "innovative" to some people, then so be it. I'd much rather he tell a good story with only the necessary effects than attempt to wow us with tons of never-before-seen digital creatures or fancy new technology.
And from the teaser trailer and some of the rumors we're hearing, I'm not really worried about the story not seeming fresh or original enough either.
Although honestly if JJ going more old school with the story and effects means it doesn't feel quite as "innovative" to some people, then so be it. I'd much rather he tell a good story with only the necessary effects than attempt to wow us with tons of never-before-seen digital creatures or fancy new technology.
And from the teaser trailer and some of the rumors we're hearing, I'm not really worried about the story not seeming fresh or original enough either.
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And even then, Harrison Ford is famously sick and tired of Star Wars and has been since 1980. I highly doubt he would have signed on for a dogshit script -- it's not like he needed the money or the work. (And before anyone throws Crystal Skull at me, keep in mind that Indiana Jones is a character that Ford loves playing.)
Meh, I can't react to second hand info/rumors from unnamed sources.
In all honesty, It wouldn't surprise me if Episode VII retreads old ground a bit, because after the prequels having some old characters go through the motions would be reassuring for audiences.
That being said however, I don't expect it to be a carbon copy of "A New Hope", and although I expect there to be some tropes, I'm hoping for an original story in the Star Wars universe.
And as for that other spinoff rumour....
That being said however, I don't expect it to be a carbon copy of "A New Hope", and although I expect there to be some tropes, I'm hoping for an original story in the Star Wars universe.
If its true that now a third Death Star has popped up...ehhhh. Im not thrilled by that, even though Leia debating using it after it blew up her homeworld IS some juicy stuff I'd love to watch, having it be a Death Star is awfully redundant. But then the Death Star has a weight to it that another super-weapon wouldn't, so I dunno. :/
And as for that other spinoff rumour....
I'll be stoked if Sabine makes the transition to live action - but I just don't see Felicity Jones as Sabine, whereas I could totally buy Tatiana Maslany. Don't ask me why I feel that way...its just a gut feeling. But then this movie is supposed to come out next year right? And having Sabine be around after Rebels kinda takes any real dilemma out of her character on the show. So I'm not sure they'd have her be Sabine in that case.
Another superweapon? The Death Star was already cheapened in RotJ. That aspect of EU always bugged me... a never-ending supply of superweapons and Palpa-clones.
I was talking about the spinoff...?
I sympathize. And let's not forget that truly awful films have gotten great word-of-mouth from the actors in those movies and we probably heard some good stories about the production of some of the most legendarily abysmal films in Hollywood history. An actor mouthing off about how he or she doesn't like the quality of the project they're involved with is about as valid to me as the cheerleading by actors who think that the actual, mediocre turd they're starring in will be popular and viewed as a good film.
Episode VII retreads ANH
Yoda's Force Ghost: "Too many years has it been. Train more Jedi you must."
Jedi Master Luke Skywalker: "But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters...!"
Yoda's Force Ghost: "Too many years has it been. Train more Jedi you must."
Jedi Master Luke Skywalker: "But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters...!"
Technically isn't a good chunk of Return of the Jedi a rehash of the original film? Another Death Star. Another Rebel strategy and intelligence briefing with a computerized diagram to show pilots how to attack and destroy it. A planet with lush forests nearby. A successful rescue mission to save one of the lead characters. A lightsaber duel between Darth Vader and a Jedi Knight. And now that Jabba the Hutt's been reinserted into Episode IV thanks to the later CGI edits of the movie even Jabba is in both films.
I don't think it's going to be as much of a rehash as some of the naysayers believe, but even if it did recycle elements from ANH it's not like we haven't seen that happen before and in far more obvious and transparent fashion just six years after the original film was first released.
I don't think it's going to be as much of a rehash as some of the naysayers believe, but even if it did recycle elements from ANH it's not like we haven't seen that happen before and in far more obvious and transparent fashion just six years after the original film was first released.
Odd thing is, the rehash didn't stick out to me as much in the theater, when it had been six years since Star Wars (which was nearly half my life then)...but it really came to stand out when watching the films in close sequence on home video.
From the earlier spoilers it seemed aparent that they were copying Ep. IV, with the stormtrooper coming to Tatooine in search of Luke to warn the new Republic of a super weapon the Empire is building. It does appear as though Kasdan and Abrams are treading the same ground we've all seen before and not really gicing us anything new. A possible female Jedi might be a nice touch though.
I don't see this as necessarily a bad thing. Remind everyone why they loved Star Wars and everything that the prequels weren't. I'll take a familiar remix with a few surprises over something brave and new and underwhelming that simply borrows the setting and characters.
There better not be a third you-know-what. The OT doing it twice was once too much already.
MakingStarWars.net said:
I don't want to believe it...but in the wake of Star Trek Into Darkness – not to mention the shameless Spielberg remix that was Super 8 – that sounds pretty much exactly like how JJ would approach this project. Hopefully it's just somebody making up a plausible sounding rumor and it's not actually the tack he's taking.
