Let's hope there's NOT another Death Star. Ever. Please. Two were more than enough.
Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens
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I can't imagine them going for another Death Star after the reaction to a Death Star appearing in ROTJ. I had no problem seeing it twice. But three times is a bit too much.With all the excitement of the old cast returning, new light sabers and battles who needs a giant super weapon to keep the film interesting?
I had a feeling JJ would just remake Ep IV for his Ep VII. After STID and Super 8, I got them impression that he's only interested in doing homages to "The Greatest Hits" rather than forging out a new road for the franchise.
I think the hatred of the Prequels is blown out of proportion. However, I will credit Lucas with a least trying to make pave new roads to a story we (the audience) already knew the ending to.
I think the hatred of the Prequels is blown out of proportion. However, I will credit Lucas with a least trying to make pave new roads to a story we (the audience) already knew the ending to.
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Doctorwhovian
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ST09 of course had it's own take on the Death Star, the Narada's drill/red matter which destroyed Vulcan (and almost earth). Also regarding originality, TPM didn't have too many new ideas-Anakin coming from Tatooine, the female lead being royalty, the Naboo battle etc. were somewhat derivative of ANH and ROTJ.
Curious about the snow planet. I think instead of being a Hoth reprise it'll be the planet we see in the trailer with Kybo Ren and his lightsaber. So it'll be kind of a snowy planet with forests, which Hoth didn't have. Kind of like Narnia in a way
Curious about the snow planet. I think instead of being a Hoth reprise it'll be the planet we see in the trailer with Kybo Ren and his lightsaber. So it'll be kind of a snowy planet with forests, which Hoth didn't have. Kind of like Narnia in a way
And, of course, Star Trek: The Motion Picture was basically a remake of "The Changeling(TOS)" only with the largest Hollywood budget in history up to that point. There's nothing wrong with rehashing and recycling ideas so long as they're made to be entertaining and the story delivers what you hope it does.
Eh? Superman came out in 1978 and cost $10 million more than The Motion Picture.
Blame the Guinness Book of World Records for telling everybody that TMP's $46 million budget was the biggest for any single movie in Hollywood history until Rambo III was produced in 1988. Superman didn't even get a mention as being most expensive.
Honestly when it comes to Star Wars I think the simpler the story, the better. The original movies were basically just simple, cornball adventure stories involving rescuing a princess, or the heroes being hunted down by the bad guy, or the heroes going on a big final mission to destroy a super-weapon. The stories might have had some complex characterizations or deeper themes running underneath at times, but the plots themselves still remained pretty basic. Which for me is an awful lot of the charm.
The prequels however just got way too plot-heavy and convoluted for my taste (especially in the case of the second two movies), and as a result lacked almost all of the simple, cornball magic that made SW what it was.
As long as JJ is trying to get back to that original OT spirit, I'm really not too concerned about the storyline not being "clever or innovative or original" enough.
The prequels however just got way too plot-heavy and convoluted for my taste (especially in the case of the second two movies), and as a result lacked almost all of the simple, cornball magic that made SW what it was.
As long as JJ is trying to get back to that original OT spirit, I'm really not too concerned about the storyline not being "clever or innovative or original" enough.
Doctorwhovian
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The Final Frontier and Insurrection also were sort of deriative of television episodes (Such as The Way To Eden)-and not even the good ones IMO. Of course they had a lower budget I think..
And then of course there's Nemesis and STID which have been criticized as being deriative of Wrath of Khan.
And then of course there's Nemesis and STID which have been criticized as being deriative of Wrath of Khan.
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This.
Tatooine is meant to play a significant role in the Saga and thus was going to make repeated appearances in the films. I know some fans want fresh originality with each new movie and some of them bristled at the idea that Tatooine and possibly even Hoth might make prominent appearances in Episode VII, but there are far bigger things to criticize in one of these films than revisiting the same planet again.
A galaxy is only as "big" or "small" as the story dictates, and these movies dictate that worlds such as Tatooine play recurring roles in the wider narrative. That's not a big deal.
This.
Tatooine is meant to play a significant role in the Saga and thus was going to make repeated appearances in the films. I know some fans want fresh originality with each new movie and some of them bristled at the idea that Tatooine and possibly even Hoth might make prominent appearances in Episode VII, but there are far bigger things to criticize in one of these films than revisiting the same planet again.
A galaxy is only as "big" or "small" as the story dictates, and these movies dictate that worlds such as Tatooine play recurring roles in the wider narrative. That's not a big deal.
And there are still plenty of people that think Naboo should have actually been Alderaan instead of some brand new planet, so it goes both ways.
Honestly, I like the repeated use of planets. When you throw too many new ones in there, it makes it harder for me to care about them. The galaxy can be big without being ridiculous.
The galaxy is certainly a lot bigger than anything Star Trek dealt with. When a freighter can go across the galaxy in hours and governement issued starfighters can cross to a nearby satelite galaxy in the same timem than they story can go anyplace. The galaxy is already small just because anyone can go anyplace within a day (it seems).
Yet the story can stay with just a few places. It is more comfortable. Also stops the writer from coming up with another far out planet that is all one thing (A coral planet?. A planet of sink holes? A planet that is all Temporate Forest of Redwoods?)
Yet the story can stay with just a few places. It is more comfortable. Also stops the writer from coming up with another far out planet that is all one thing (A coral planet?. A planet of sink holes? A planet that is all Temporate Forest of Redwoods?)
Yeah, I'm taking that with a huge grain of salt. That being said, if you are going to rehash stuff from the OT, at least they're going about it in a new way.
I like the reversal of fortune of having Leia and the Rebels now being the ones who have to deploy the technological terror of a Death Star against a planet with plenty of collateral damage. It's a good moral dilemma for our heroes and shows the perils of transitioning from a rebel group into a functioning government, and how that can compromise some of your principles or leave you making horrific ethical choices. We've never seen the Death Star used by someone who actually has a conscience and a personal history that would make her horrified at what she might have to do for the greater good of the Rebellion/Republic.
Personally I'm fine either way.
Let the weekly television series focus on a wider variety of different planets we've never heard of before, but keep the narrative scope of a two-hour film a little easier for the casual as well as hardcore fans to follow. There's no pressing need for several brand new planets in each and every movie. Nothing wrong or distracting about mentioning other worlds but if too many get shown it's far too easy for the audience to lose track and get confused while trying to follow the overall story.
Doctorwhovian
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Didn't Endor have a desert in one of the Ewok TV movies?
Honestly I quite like the idea that a miserable, seemingly insignificant ball of sand like Tatooine is arguably the most important planet in the galaxy.
This concept certainly fit Lucas' vision of minor people and minor places being witnesses or even participants in major events.
