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Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

I know it is referred to as such by several Imperial characters, they certainly referred to "Rebels" and "The Rebellion." If they were "the Resistance" they would have referred to themselves as such.

I don't have an encyclopedic memory of every word in the films though.

Besides, a resistance is against an occupying or invading force, a rebellion is from within.
 
Did the Rebel Allience ever actually refer to themselves as the Rebel Allience or was it just Vader? Theoretically the could have been called the resistance the whole time.

That's an interesting point. Since they won the war, the term Rebel doesn't even enter into it anymore. That's what the victorious government refers to the failed uprising as. Like the American Civil War.
Since the Alliance defeated the Empire however, it would now be called a Revolution. Like that little dust-up with our British brothers a few centuries back.

Like they say, the victors write the history books.

The Rebels however were never a resistance, since they were fighting their own government and not repelling an external one.
 
Leia refered to it as the Alliance in Return of the Jedi if I recall when they were leaving Tatooine.
 
The Rebels however were never a resistance, since they were fighting their own government and not repelling an external one.
Is that a longstanding convention in English grammar? I've never thought of it that way before; I've been assuming that "rebellion" and "resistance" are basically synonymous and that a "resistance" fights internal, not external threats.
 
Leia refered to it as the Alliance in Return of the Jedi if I recall when they were leaving Tatooine.

You're correct. As Luke is heading to Dagobah in his X-Wing Leia sends him a voice transmission from the Falcon reminding him to hurry up and that "the Alliance" is already assembled and will be waiting.
 
Captain Phasma's casting will likely trigger a little sexist nerdrage in some fans. Black Stormtrooper? Now a female Stormtrooper and a ranking officer at that?

What vile nerd socialism is this?!

Nerd rage?

Actually, it's about ethics in galactic domination.

And if they want a female stormtroopers there should be some sort of hint of a bustline on the chestplate. The stormtrooper outfit is a very masculine shape. It's like a woman in drag. You really need dedicated female stormtrooper armor with its own shape.

No.

Plus when has any Star Wars female character in armor ever had boob-plate-armor?
 
Vader and Tagge both refer to "the Rebel Alliance" in EpIV. Biggs referred to "the Alliance" in the deleted private conversation with Luke on Tatooine about jumping ship.
 
Captain Phasma's casting will likely trigger a little sexist nerdrage in some fans. Black Stormtrooper? Now a female Stormtrooper and a ranking officer at that?

What vile nerd socialism is this?!

... But she is chrome!! It's all good ;)

Once stormtroopers are chrome they look like classic cylons.

And if they want a female stormtroopers there should be some sort of hint of a bustline on the chestplate. The stormtrooper outfit is a very masculine shape. It's like a woman in drag. You really need dedicated female stormtrooper armor with its own shape.

That would just be making the sexy halloween costume version of Stormtrooper armor, which really makes no sense if you want the appearance of a completely uniform, almost inhuman military force. Plus the actual chest armor is made of multiple layered pieces, it isn't all solid or meant to form fitting. There's a lot of empty space inside it.
 
I've seen some "female stormtrooper" armor from conventions with enlarged breasts plate. Also sometimes Mandalorian armor like that, though more recent versions of that just have a small plate over the breasts, not a full body piece over the body glove.
 
Juno Eclipse from The Force Unleashed was a Stormtrooper officer who wore a black Imperial military uniform, but I can't remember if we ever see artistic depictions of her in Stormtrooper armor. I know her action figure doesn't come with armor, just her standard black uniform.
 
I've seen plenty of women in the standard stormtrooper armor. They usually just look shorter than some of the others.

Also this article is worth reading.

The fact is, whatever magic George Lucas created in the ‘70s and ‘80s, he could not have made an authentic Star Wars film by the late ‘90s. By that point, Star Wars was not what he thought it was. However insightful and talented they might be, no creator can ever truly appreciate their own work in the same way way that its audience does, in much the same way that no one person sees in the mirror what the rest of the world perceives. That’s just the nature of the difference between creation and consumption. Both sides have a completely different relationship with the work in question.

And as the years went on, it became increasingly clear that George saw only the flaws in the original trilogy. He didn’t see what we saw. He didn’t appreciate the films as glowing, cultural touchstones, full of vitality, humanity, exhilaration and joy. He saw them as imperfect technical exercises, as matte paintings in need of tidying up, of composite shots that would have been better in CG. It’s a long-stated axiom that no piece of art is ever finished, that the creator just finds a point at which they can lay down their futile perfectionism and step away. It’s a truthful one too. But George never stepped away. He tweaked, he revisited, he tinkered, and through both his interviews and his output – by way of the now-dominant, much maligned Special Edition trilogy – it became clear that he saw Star Wars primarily as a broken down fixer-upper, a machine to be repaired with spanners, screwdrivers, and polished, computer-generated green-screen work.

Going into the prequel trilogy with that mentality in charge, neither we nor the films had a chance. That became apparent as the three unfurled. It wasn’t Star Wars. It was a man long out of touch with Star Wars trying to emulate what he thought he remembered Star Wars had been, mechanically pastiching its image, but forgetting its soul, and building only a plastic façade, a superficial theme park recreation, in the process. It was a flashy, hollow and sad experience, and for all the naivety we had back then, those of us who were old enough could tell the difference immediately, even if we denied it for a little while.

Because we were naive back then. Back then, there had never been a bad Star Wars film. We had only ever known the original trilogy, and Star Wars had only ever been a sparkling, scintillating source of wonder and adventure. Star Wars was good. It was just good. It could not be bad. Another impossibility was the very idea of another Star Wars film even existing. We’d all been teased as children by that ‘Episode IV’ subtitle. We’d all spent years – decades, even – dreaming of the possibilities, soaking up the expanded universe through the books and games, excitedly debating how Anakin had gone wrong, how the empire had come to be, how old exactly Yoda was, and what had forced him into hiding. Episodes One to Three were folklore and myth long before they existed as tangible stories, and carried a power and a weight that tangible stories could not. Their announcement was, on two separate levels, a fairy tale become real.

2015 is nothing like 1999 was. We’ve had 15 years of bad Star Wars. We’ve had that direct, unbroken link to the original trilogy smothered by three misfiring impersonations. We aren’t naïve any more. So why are we losing our shit, a decade and a half older, wiser, and supposedly more cynical? Because The Force Awakens feels different. We’ve seen Star Wars done wrong. We know what that looks like now, and we appreciate what good Star Wars looks like all the more for it. We know clearly and instinctively what really matters, in a way that we never did before it was taken away from us. And The Force Awakens looks to be made of what matters.
 
It would never work in a movie and meant to be serious, especially as a major villain.

It works in comedy and as a fan made costume. It doesn't seem practical if meant to be realistic. Just go look at actual body armor made for women.
 
It would never work in a movie and meant to be serious, especially as a major villain.

It works in comedy and as a fan made costume. It doesn't seem practical if meant to be realistic. Just go look at actual body armor made for women.
Sorry, the post below is a bit long, but its quick research in to "practical female armor." Lots of articles can be found on it, and below are some quotes and links. Not meant as anything more than education.


The "boob plate" would actually kill the person:

Let’s begin by stating the simple purpose of plate armor—to deflect blows from weaponry. Assuming that you are avoiding the blow of a sword, your armor should be designed so that the blade glances off your body, away from your chest. If your armor is breast-shaped, you are in fact increasing the likelihood that a blade blow will slide inward, toward the center of your chest, the very place you are trying to keep safe.

But that’s not all! Let’s say you even fall onto your boob-conscious armor. The divet separating each breast will dig into your chest, doing you injury. It might even break your breastbone. With a strong enough blow to the chest, it could fracture your sternum entirely, destroying your heart and lungs, instantly killing you. It is literally a death trap—you are wearing armor that acts as a perpetual spear directed at some of your most vulnerable body parts. It’s just not smart.

Sorry, the armor is not practical, so for all intent and purpose, female stormtroopers are likely going to look the same, or similar, because whatever pads and changes that are done will be internal and not external. Or, a slight bump out, but not full cups. A quote from an armorer that I found relevant:

Plate armor is the way it is largely out of necessity. The layout and articulations of the plates are the best solutions the designers could come up with to balance mobility with protection. Also, note that nobody was naked under their armor. There was a ton of padding between the metal and the flesh that absorbed the energy of the blows. That means the difference between male and female plate armor is relatively trivial because once you’ve padded it out and left space for movement, you’ve all but erased the figure of the person inside…However, artists aren’t always going for practicality or historical relevance. Style will often trump practicality in costume design.

Obviously, that refers to plate, but the design concept is the same.

Some fun examples:

UNSC Marine

Planetside 2 concept

Modern American Army female specific ballistic armor


Stormtroopers putting armor on over body glove

Fan made costumes-full armor (note: links to RPF forum thread)

The above is not meant as a lecture but more a matter of education as to armor design.
 
The second teaser seems to show a First Order TIE firing into a group of Stormtroopers. The question would be, is that TIE being flown by a Resistance member, or is one faction of the First Order not with the Dark Sider/Sith. Is this a case of multiple factions of the old Galactic Empire still existing along side the New Republic and the Resistance is pieces of the New Republic that have been invaded by the First Order and are now fighting back, perhaps with aid of the New Republic.

It is a big galaxy after all. A huge spiral galaxy with two satelite galaxies. Much of it was part of the Old Republic and most of it was part of the Empire.
 
The Rebels however were never a resistance, since they were fighting their own government and not repelling an external one.
Is that a longstanding convention in English grammar? I've never thought of it that way before; I've been assuming that "rebellion" and "resistance" are basically synonymous and that a "resistance" fights internal, not external threats.

I don't think there's any hard and fast rule about it, but 'to rebel' does imply that what you're rebelling against is something you used to accept (like the government you grew up with), while 'to resist' implies that you have not yet accepted it at all (like a foreign occupation). But I don't think that's a guarantee that the Rebel Alliance couldn't be considered a resistance. There's always the possibility that the core of the Alliance has existed and worked against Palpatine since before the Empire was ever made official, which would mean they've been resisting the whole time...

Obviously, that refers to plate, but the design concept is the same.

To be fair, there's not much reason to think it is. Stormtroopers typically aren't fighting people with broadswords and warhammers. The armor could use any design they want to think up - all they have to say is that design is better at 'dissipating energy blasts' or something similar. Not that ST armor has ever been any good at defending against energy weapons, either...
 
First off, SW is not supposed to be scientifically plausible. It's going for style over substance. That's why Han Solo's outfit evokes a western, Imperial officers look like Nazis, and Vader and Stormtroopers look like medieval armor (European and/or Japanese). There's a whole host of minor SW players who are almost nothing but their "look", like moving sculpture. The aliens in the Catina, the various minor droids like Gonk, etc... You're meant to glean as much "character" as you can simply from how they were designed. So when I see a female stormtrooper, I don't want a realistic armor. I want something that "looks cool" and you can tell right away that's supposed to be a woman. Doesn't mean it has to be a double-D breastplate and a pinched waist, but SOME hint of femininity, not something that a woman could only fit into if she were either an A-cup or strapped her boobs down with gaffer's tape.

The only rationale for having the outfit be basically the male outfit (with no pronounced hips or bustline) is to do a "reveal" like in Puss in Boots or Tron Legacy, where you think it's a guy and she takes off the helmet and, shock and horror, it's a woman. The mystery box thing is pure JJ and so I am fully expecting that. But after the initial surprise is over, the outfit just looks like, as I said, a woman in drag.

when has any Star Wars female character in armor ever had boob-plate-armor?

I don't think there's ever BEEN a SW female character in armor, not in one of the major films.
 
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