Star Wars EPIII: Could the Jedi Order have defeated Palpatine/Sidious?
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Is he a nice guy? Not really, but that doesn't mean that there were not Nice Sith out there at one point or some point. Sith mentality is not peruse "evil" but to peruse "emotion" like a regular person. The Jedi systematically lobotomize themselves and meditatively castrate themselves because they're too chicken shit about what a bit of "Joy" will do to them.
You seen Equilibrium?
That shit.
I wonder if there are dark jedi? jedi that obey all the rules, but work for evil and do bad things joylessly without yearning for reward? The emotionless neutrality of the jedi character would surely make them super tolerant of most amoral activitiy since thye do have the faculties left over after all the emotional auto fladgelation to get judgey.
Is he a nice guy? Not really, but that doesn't mean that there were not Nice Sith out there at one point or some point. Sith mentality is not peruse "evil" but to peruse "emotion" like a regular person. The Jedi systematically lobotomize themselves and meditatively castrate themselves because they're too chicken shit about what a bit of "Joy" will do to them.
You seen Equilibrium?
That shit.
I wonder if there are dark jedi? jedi that obey all the rules, but work for evil and do bad things joylessly without yearning for reward? The emotionless neutrality of the jedi character would surely make them super tolerant of most amoral activitiy since thye do have the faculties left over after all the emotional auto fladgelation to get judgey.
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Guy, you miss the point. You are applying real world complexity and shades of gray to the black and white world of Star Wars.
Sith are always Dark Side, and if you follow the Dark Side you are evil. Period. Witness Anakin, valiant defender of truth, justice and the American...err Republic way. An hour after he falls to the Dark Side he is literally chopping up children with his lightsaber. Children that knew his face and name. Children that he knew.
In Star Wars commiting evil acts makes you evil if you are a user of the Force. And the Force itself decides what is evil. For Force read George Lucas.
There are no Jedi out there that follow the rules and do bad things, because if they did bad things they would fall to the Dark Side. And if you fall to the Dark Side then you become greedy and obsessed with power and "reward" of some kind. And you have absolutely no concern over who might get hurt or killed in your quest for your reward.
Them's George's rules.
And yes, I have seen Equilibrium. Cool movie. I own the DVD. But Grammeton Clerics are not Jedi because they do not have the Force whispering in thier ear. But it would be cool to see a Jedi type using the Gun Kata.
Actually there is such a person in the Coruscant Nights trilogy...
Guy, you miss the point. You are applying real world complexity and shades of gray to the black and white world of Star Wars.
Sith are always Dark Side, and if you follow the Dark Side you are evil. Period. Witness Anakin, valiant defender of truth, justice and the American...err Republic way. An hour after he falls to the Dark Side he is literally chopping up children with his lightsaber. Children that knew his face and name. Children that he knew.
In Star Wars commiting evil acts makes you evil if you are a user of the Force. And the Force itself decides what is evil. For Force read George Lucas.
There are no Jedi out there that follow the rules and do bad things, because if they did bad things they would fall to the Dark Side. And if you fall to the Dark Side then you become greedy and obsessed with power and "reward" of some kind. And you have absolutely no concern over who might get hurt or killed in your quest for your reward.
Them's George's rules.
And yes, I have seen Equilibrium. Cool movie. I own the DVD. But Grammeton Clerics are not Jedi because they do not have the Force whispering in thier ear. But it would be cool to see a Jedi type using the Gun Kata.
Actually there is such a person in the Coruscant Nights trilogy...
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There is one Infinities comic where Leia falls to the Dark Side. Instead of going power mad, she goes sane and comes to the conclusion that reforming the system from within, peacefully, would be more productive than engaging in terrorism. She becomes the Emperor's trusted apprentice and chosen successor as he withdraws from public life. Under her advice, he allows himself to be politically marginalized, becoming nothing more than a powerless figurehead. Instead of using her position for self-aggrandizement as one might expect from a stereotypical Sith, she reconstitutes the Senate and gives them control of the military, including direct control of the Death Star, which is transformed into a symbol of hope and freedom as the mobile seat of the democratically elected government.
Yoda then shows up and uses the Mind Trick to take over the newly rechristined Justice Star, dropping it on Coruscant, an act which certainly kills billions due to the planets extreme population density and the battlestation's huge size, for the sole purpose of killing Palpatine.
Infinities isn't canon, but the Jedi can certainly be murderous, even genocidal, in the pursuit of their goals if they feel that doing so would be prudent. Meanwhile, Sith who have actual compassion for others can do some real good.
I'm also going to point out that those children had lightsabers of their own, and knew how to use them. Yeah, killing them seems to be a bit excessive, but they would have been able to slaughter any clone troopers sent to contain them. It's the same principle as facing kids armed with Ak-47s on an African battlefield. You kill them, because their bullets will kill you just as dead as those fired by adults. People always harp on the killing well-armed combat-trained children as the worst thing Anakin did. I'd say that strangling Padme better meets that requirement.
There is one Infinities comic where Leia falls to the Dark Side. Instead of going power mad, she goes sane and comes to the conclusion that reforming the system from within, peacefully, would be more productive than engaging in terrorism. She becomes the Emperor's trusted apprentice and chosen successor as he withdraws from public life. Under her advice, he allows himself to be politically marginalized, becoming nothing more than a powerless figurehead. Instead of using her position for self-aggrandizement as one might expect from a stereotypical Sith, she reconstitutes the Senate and gives them control of the military, including direct control of the Death Star, which is transformed into a symbol of hope and freedom as the mobile seat of the democratically elected government.
Yoda then shows up and uses the Mind Trick to take over the newly rechristined Justice Star, dropping it on Coruscant, an act which certainly kills billions due to the planets extreme population density and the battlestation's huge size, for the sole purpose of killing Palpatine.
Infinities isn't canon, but the Jedi can certainly be murderous, even genocidal, in the pursuit of their goals if they feel that doing so would be prudent. Meanwhile, Sith who have actual compassion for others can do some real good.
I'm also going to point out that those children had lightsabers of their own, and knew how to use them. Yeah, killing them seems to be a bit excessive, but they would have been able to slaughter any clone troopers sent to contain them. It's the same principle as facing kids armed with Ak-47s on an African battlefield. You kill them, because their bullets will kill you just as dead as those fired by adults. People always harp on the killing well-armed combat-trained children as the worst thing Anakin did. I'd say that strangling Padme better meets that requirement.
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Damn. That sounds badass. What was the title of that comic?
Damn. That sounds badass. What was the title of that comic?
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Star Wars: Infinities - A New Hope
It's part of a What If alternate universe series, showing what would have happened if certain pivotal events of the movies happened differently. In this case, Luke missed, partially. His missile merely damaged the exhaust port, rather than destroying the Death Star. As a result, while the Rebels on Yavin survived, they lost the battle.
And it is a very badass scene. Yoda just waltzes out of Millennium Falcon and starts mind controlling people left and right. It's a good demonstration of exactly why the Separatists were right to use droids. He even has a very cordial conversation with Tarkin as he uses the superlaser to blow up every Imperial military ship in the system before dropping the battlestation directly onto the Emperor's house.
Star Wars: Infinities - A New Hope
It's part of a What If alternate universe series, showing what would have happened if certain pivotal events of the movies happened differently. In this case, Luke missed, partially. His missile merely damaged the exhaust port, rather than destroying the Death Star. As a result, while the Rebels on Yavin survived, they lost the battle.
And it is a very badass scene. Yoda just waltzes out of Millennium Falcon and starts mind controlling people left and right. It's a good demonstration of exactly why the Separatists were right to use droids. He even has a very cordial conversation with Tarkin as he uses the superlaser to blow up every Imperial military ship in the system before dropping the battlestation directly onto the Emperor's house.
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Do you mean those 8 to 10 year olds?
"Master Skywalker what are we going to do?"
Anakin ignites his lightsaber.
The look on the kids face just said "We are so f****d."
I don't know if I would say those little kids qualified as combat trained. Sure they exercise with lightsabers, but I think the 501st could handle them. The older apprentices, sure, they were a threat to the clone troopers. But still, the teen aged apprentice attacking the troopers by surprise only killed a handful before they killed him. I imagine they could do better against a bunch of prepubescent children. You know, like tossing a grenade through the door and shutting it.
But really, saying he was protecting clones ignores the fact that he was there to massacre every living thing in the Temple. An act the Anakin never would have considered before he fell to the Dark Side. And that was really my point.
Light Side = Good
Dark Side = Bad
George Lucas set a very simple moral system in Star Wars. The idea that a Dark Side Jedi or Sith could be selfless, while it may have appeared in Infinities, is contradicted by every other source out there.
Even Jacen Solo in the Legecy of the Force novels starts on the Dark path to bring order to the galaxy and create a safe place for his daughter to grow up. A laudable goal to be sure. He winds up burning the forests on Kashyyk, and killing countless civilians. Overthrowing the government. Trying to kill his parents... etc...
Oh yeah, he also tortures his cousin to try to turn him to the Dark Side and sends his minions out to assassinate his political enemies.
Also there is no evidence that Jedi have ever been genocidal. They can be dicks (see Mace Windu), but any Jedi that committed genocide would certainly fall to the Dark Side.
Anyone who attacks a nation defended by Jedi who does not use something that can't be mind controlled is just an idiot.
Do you mean those 8 to 10 year olds?
"Master Skywalker what are we going to do?"
Anakin ignites his lightsaber.
The look on the kids face just said "We are so f****d."
I don't know if I would say those little kids qualified as combat trained. Sure they exercise with lightsabers, but I think the 501st could handle them. The older apprentices, sure, they were a threat to the clone troopers. But still, the teen aged apprentice attacking the troopers by surprise only killed a handful before they killed him. I imagine they could do better against a bunch of prepubescent children. You know, like tossing a grenade through the door and shutting it.
But really, saying he was protecting clones ignores the fact that he was there to massacre every living thing in the Temple. An act the Anakin never would have considered before he fell to the Dark Side. And that was really my point.
Light Side = Good
Dark Side = Bad
George Lucas set a very simple moral system in Star Wars. The idea that a Dark Side Jedi or Sith could be selfless, while it may have appeared in Infinities, is contradicted by every other source out there.
Even Jacen Solo in the Legecy of the Force novels starts on the Dark path to bring order to the galaxy and create a safe place for his daughter to grow up. A laudable goal to be sure. He winds up burning the forests on Kashyyk, and killing countless civilians. Overthrowing the government. Trying to kill his parents... etc...
Oh yeah, he also tortures his cousin to try to turn him to the Dark Side and sends his minions out to assassinate his political enemies.
Also there is no evidence that Jedi have ever been genocidal. They can be dicks (see Mace Windu), but any Jedi that committed genocide would certainly fall to the Dark Side.
Anyone who attacks a nation defended by Jedi who does not use something that can't be mind controlled is just an idiot.
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To be fair, I will admit I'm sometimes unsure of how the Jedi Order has become portrayed as a quasi-religious sect which eschews significant possessions or attachments to others. I think there are some advantages to that mindset, but I also think the Clone Wars summed it up well in a recent ep where Ahsoka said she wasn't sure how the Jedi could be compassionate towards others and avoid "attachment" at the same time.
Well, not exactly. Leia resists all of Vader's efforts to turn her, even trying to commit suicide with the lightsaber at one point, and it's not until he reveals that Palpatine is dying that she falls to the dark side and jumps at the chance to take power from within the Empire. Vader knows he wouldn't be a viable successor due to his injuries, and it's a pretty good hook for Leia. It's too bad the writing isn't as good in I: ANH as it is in some of the other Infinities comics.
Guy, you miss the point. You are applying real world complexity and shades of gray to the black and white world of Star Wars.
Sith are always Dark Side, and if you follow the Dark Side you are evil. Period. Witness Anakin, valiant defender of truth, justice and the American...err Republic way. An hour after he falls to the Dark Side he is literally chopping up children with his lightsaber. Children that knew his face and name. Children that he knew.
In Star Wars commiting evil acts makes you evil if you are a user of the Force. And the Force itself decides what is evil. For Force read George Lucas.
There are no Jedi out there that follow the rules and do bad things, because if they did bad things they would fall to the Dark Side. And if you fall to the Dark Side then you become greedy and obsessed with power and "reward" of some kind. And you have absolutely no concern over who might get hurt or killed in your quest for your reward.
Them's George's rules.
And yes, I have seen Equilibrium. Cool movie. I own the DVD. But Grammeton Clerics are not Jedi because they do not have the Force whispering in thier ear. But it would be cool to see a Jedi type using the Gun Kata.
Actually there is such a person in the Coruscant Nights trilogy...
To be fair, I will admit I'm sometimes unsure of how the Jedi Order has become portrayed as a quasi-religious sect which eschews significant possessions or attachments to others. I think there are some advantages to that mindset, but I also think the Clone Wars summed it up well in a recent ep where Ahsoka said she wasn't sure how the Jedi could be compassionate towards others and avoid "attachment" at the same time.
Well, not exactly. Leia resists all of Vader's efforts to turn her, even trying to commit suicide with the lightsaber at one point, and it's not until he reveals that Palpatine is dying that she falls to the dark side and jumps at the chance to take power from within the Empire. Vader knows he wouldn't be a viable successor due to his injuries, and it's a pretty good hook for Leia. It's too bad the writing isn't as good in I: ANH as it is in some of the other Infinities comics.
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I think the majority of Sith are good, just like the majority of Jedi are good. Sure, they may believe different things and feel different methods bring peace and prosperity to the Republic. It's just, sometimes an asshole falls into the ranks of both orders.
Think about it. The Sith, which were pretty evil in the days before Darth Bane, were marginalized and rethought and were pretty successful laying low for a thousand years. Even Palpatine himself said the Darth Plagueis was a Sith who felt compassion for others and could use his powers to keep those he cared about from dying and could even create life. Now, in order to keep low for a thousand years, you can't be an evil badass usurping powers from people and waging hell. It was only when Sidious joined the ranks that things started going to the Dark Side for the Sith (so to speak).
The same with the Jedi. They'd been pretty successful maintaining peace in the galaxy after the Sith Wars. They just get an asshole in their ranks at the wrong time (Anakin) and everything turns to shit.
Now, I'm not saying that either order is just or holy or is not without its faults, it's just a matter of who is occupying the order at the time. In the Old Republic/Empire times, both orders went down because their leaders were smug and arrogant and were taken down when they least expected it. So, it's not the orders that are evil or wrong, per se, but the bad eggs that may be making them up (re: Sidious and Anakin).
I think the majority of Sith are good, just like the majority of Jedi are good. Sure, they may believe different things and feel different methods bring peace and prosperity to the Republic. It's just, sometimes an asshole falls into the ranks of both orders.
Think about it. The Sith, which were pretty evil in the days before Darth Bane, were marginalized and rethought and were pretty successful laying low for a thousand years. Even Palpatine himself said the Darth Plagueis was a Sith who felt compassion for others and could use his powers to keep those he cared about from dying and could even create life. Now, in order to keep low for a thousand years, you can't be an evil badass usurping powers from people and waging hell. It was only when Sidious joined the ranks that things started going to the Dark Side for the Sith (so to speak).
The same with the Jedi. They'd been pretty successful maintaining peace in the galaxy after the Sith Wars. They just get an asshole in their ranks at the wrong time (Anakin) and everything turns to shit.
Now, I'm not saying that either order is just or holy or is not without its faults, it's just a matter of who is occupying the order at the time. In the Old Republic/Empire times, both orders went down because their leaders were smug and arrogant and were taken down when they least expected it. So, it's not the orders that are evil or wrong, per se, but the bad eggs that may be making them up (re: Sidious and Anakin).
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We don't know a LOT about the Sith between the time that the Jedi all but eliminated their ranks and the ascent of Sidious/Palpatine. I think it's probably a bit of a stretch to ascribe positive attributes to the Sith Order in general just because they successfully managed to lie low for approximately for a millenia. As I understand it, Darth Bane was clearly practical and smart enough to realize that if the Sith were to survive, they'd have to take a more long-term approach and carefully lay their groundwork for their revenge even if it took several centuries to do so (which it did). They realistically had no other choice BUT to lay low because exposure would've meant certain death and an inability to continue passing down Sith teachings.
As for their actions, it is unknown what exactly they did during those years and while some of their actions might not have been as dramatic as those undertaken by Sidious/Palpatine (so as to avoid attention) that doesn't mean that they didn't do some malevolent/evil things along the way. For instance, their "rite of succession" almost always involved betrayal/murder (in order to maintain the "rule of two"). In the first book of the Legacy of The Force Series ("Betrayal"), Lumiya suggests a more nuanced view of the Sith and used Vergere and Darth Vectevis (sp?) as examples of individuals she described as being adherents of the Sith yet capable of positive traits such as sacrifice and benevolence. However, of course, Lumiya considered herself a believer in the Sith and was trying to turn Jacen, so it remains unclear exactly how truthful she was really being.
We don't know a LOT about the Sith between the time that the Jedi all but eliminated their ranks and the ascent of Sidious/Palpatine. I think it's probably a bit of a stretch to ascribe positive attributes to the Sith Order in general just because they successfully managed to lie low for approximately for a millenia. As I understand it, Darth Bane was clearly practical and smart enough to realize that if the Sith were to survive, they'd have to take a more long-term approach and carefully lay their groundwork for their revenge even if it took several centuries to do so (which it did). They realistically had no other choice BUT to lay low because exposure would've meant certain death and an inability to continue passing down Sith teachings.
As for their actions, it is unknown what exactly they did during those years and while some of their actions might not have been as dramatic as those undertaken by Sidious/Palpatine (so as to avoid attention) that doesn't mean that they didn't do some malevolent/evil things along the way. For instance, their "rite of succession" almost always involved betrayal/murder (in order to maintain the "rule of two"). In the first book of the Legacy of The Force Series ("Betrayal"), Lumiya suggests a more nuanced view of the Sith and used Vergere and Darth Vectevis (sp?) as examples of individuals she described as being adherents of the Sith yet capable of positive traits such as sacrifice and benevolence. However, of course, Lumiya considered herself a believer in the Sith and was trying to turn Jacen, so it remains unclear exactly how truthful she was really being.
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Read Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, Darth Bane: Rule of Two and Jedi vs. Sith: A History of the Force. I realize these are not on the screen, but George says they are canon. The Sith order exists for conquest and the enrichment of its Dark Lords. Darth Bane instituted the Rule of Two by destroying the rest of the order. That thousand years of laying low was spent laying the groundwork for Palpatine's takover of the galaxy. As Darth Maul said, "At last the time has come for our revenge".
Palpatine talking about what a nice guy Plagueis was was just to sucker Anikin. Nice people do not become Sith.
Read Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, Darth Bane: Rule of Two and Jedi vs. Sith: A History of the Force. I realize these are not on the screen, but George says they are canon. The Sith order exists for conquest and the enrichment of its Dark Lords. Darth Bane instituted the Rule of Two by destroying the rest of the order. That thousand years of laying low was spent laying the groundwork for Palpatine's takover of the galaxy. As Darth Maul said, "At last the time has come for our revenge".
Palpatine talking about what a nice guy Plagueis was was just to sucker Anikin. Nice people do not become Sith.
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I still think Mace Windu is alive. Don't care what anyone says about him dying from the fall. Look at how easy it was for Anakin to find vehicles to hop on to while chasing the bounty hunter in AOTC. Mace is alive and went into hiding and will return this summer in Star Wars: Legacy.
I still think Mace Windu is alive. Don't care what anyone says about him dying from the fall. Look at how easy it was for Anakin to find vehicles to hop on to while chasing the bounty hunter in AOTC. Mace is alive and went into hiding and will return this summer in Star Wars: Legacy.
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It's hard to believe that this debate is STILL going on. Even *if* he was still miraculously alive after having his arm severed and being shot with a fistful of lightening at close range, I still doubt that he'd have been coherent enough, force or no force, to avoid falling to whatever "ground" existed at the time on Coruscant or, more likely, being hit by a speeder/ship moving about in the traffic. Although, I guess since we didn't see a dead body, none of us can *really* be sure unless Master Lucas says otherwise. I thought that the scene was fairly unambiguous in terms of Mace Windu's fate when I first saw it and even now. I just don't really see what is debatable and I would, frankly, be amazed if he is later written to have survived.
It's hard to believe that this debate is STILL going on. Even *if* he was still miraculously alive after having his arm severed and being shot with a fistful of lightening at close range, I still doubt that he'd have been coherent enough, force or no force, to avoid falling to whatever "ground" existed at the time on Coruscant or, more likely, being hit by a speeder/ship moving about in the traffic. Although, I guess since we didn't see a dead body, none of us can *really* be sure unless Master Lucas says otherwise. I thought that the scene was fairly unambiguous in terms of Mace Windu's fate when I first saw it and even now. I just don't really see what is debatable and I would, frankly, be amazed if he is later written to have survived.
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I have been watching SW EPIII quite a bit last couple weeks.
Of all the amazing things in III, one of the biggest is then to watch
IV and it feels like the movie just flows as if it wasn't made back in the 70's.
The perspective of Lucas. Man...... To see Ben Kenobi in IV with all that additional history (I/II/III)..that just blows me away as i remembered watching the original series before EPI.
Anyway, i was wondering with all those SW unofficial books.....
Were there any that focused on the time before when
Darth Pleidus was ruling with the power of immortal life and a young
Palpatine? Also, are there alot of books or whatever that go beyond
SW VI?
I have been watching SW EPIII quite a bit last couple weeks.
Of all the amazing things in III, one of the biggest is then to watch
IV and it feels like the movie just flows as if it wasn't made back in the 70's.
The perspective of Lucas. Man...... To see Ben Kenobi in IV with all that additional history (I/II/III)..that just blows me away as i remembered watching the original series before EPI.
Anyway, i was wondering with all those SW unofficial books.....
Were there any that focused on the time before when
Darth Pleidus was ruling with the power of immortal life and a young
Palpatine? Also, are there alot of books or whatever that go beyond
SW VI?
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In regards to your first question, I believe that somebody was going to write a book about Darth Plagueis but it was shelved for some reason. Maybe we'll eventually get some more backstory but who knows. Wookiepedia has some unofficial/speculative information here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis
In regards to your second question, yes, there are a LOT of books that are set after ROTJ. They are really too many too mention here but there are a lot of sites that have chronological listings of all of the books/series currently available. I believe that they will even be launching yet another post-ROTJ series this upcoming week. Currently, there are books and comics exploring events and characters, some familiar, some new, in the SW universe set from as early as a few weeks after ROTJ to as far out as 40 years after ANH all the way to over 100 years after ANH. Just google it. I've been starting to explore the post-ROTJ EU and, by and large, I've enjoyed most of the books/series. Just be forewarned: Things are not all "happily ever after" in the EU to be sure.
In regards to your first question, I believe that somebody was going to write a book about Darth Plagueis but it was shelved for some reason. Maybe we'll eventually get some more backstory but who knows. Wookiepedia has some unofficial/speculative information here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis
In regards to your second question, yes, there are a LOT of books that are set after ROTJ. They are really too many too mention here but there are a lot of sites that have chronological listings of all of the books/series currently available. I believe that they will even be launching yet another post-ROTJ series this upcoming week. Currently, there are books and comics exploring events and characters, some familiar, some new, in the SW universe set from as early as a few weeks after ROTJ to as far out as 40 years after ANH all the way to over 100 years after ANH. Just google it. I've been starting to explore the post-ROTJ EU and, by and large, I've enjoyed most of the books/series. Just be forewarned: Things are not all "happily ever after" in the EU to be sure.
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For the record, there is no such thing as a "good Sith". All Sith are evil. Some are just more evil then others. It's kind of their thing.
No I don't think they could have defeated Sidious. And that's not counting that whole stupid prequel destiny/prophecy crap. They had not faced a Sith, much less one of his power, in over a thousand years. Most of their knowledge of The Dark Side was forgotten or lost. Most of their combat techniques with The Force were forgotten becuase there was no use for them. The Jedi Sentinels, Jedi spies whose job it was to seek out and expose undercover Sith, had been abolished after the Sith Wars. They had no idea what they were up against. None. Sure the occasional Jedi going rogue would pop up once in a while, but Dark Jedi are mere novices in the ways of The Dark Side. A thousand years of peace, without the threat of The Dark Side to keep them vigilant, had made them comfortable, lazy, and arrogant. They had stopped being holy crusaders, soldiers, and warriors. They were politicans, diplomats, and cops now. They went to war with The Sepratists without question, when they knew The Sith were behind it. Going to war without knowing your enemy was something The Ancient Jedi always preached against.
For the record, there is no such thing as a "good Sith". All Sith are evil. Some are just more evil then others. It's kind of their thing.
No I don't think they could have defeated Sidious. And that's not counting that whole stupid prequel destiny/prophecy crap. They had not faced a Sith, much less one of his power, in over a thousand years. Most of their knowledge of The Dark Side was forgotten or lost. Most of their combat techniques with The Force were forgotten becuase there was no use for them. The Jedi Sentinels, Jedi spies whose job it was to seek out and expose undercover Sith, had been abolished after the Sith Wars. They had no idea what they were up against. None. Sure the occasional Jedi going rogue would pop up once in a while, but Dark Jedi are mere novices in the ways of The Dark Side. A thousand years of peace, without the threat of The Dark Side to keep them vigilant, had made them comfortable, lazy, and arrogant. They had stopped being holy crusaders, soldiers, and warriors. They were politicans, diplomats, and cops now. They went to war with The Sepratists without question, when they knew The Sith were behind it. Going to war without knowing your enemy was something The Ancient Jedi always preached against.
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Also what I said before, I just used less detail. Well said.
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Also what I said before, I just used less detail. Well said.