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I finished up the main part of Dark Disciple last night, and I really enjoyed it. I'm disappointed we didn't get to see this story onscreen.
I knew going in from spoilers I'd come across that Ventress died in the end, but it was still a pretty surprising moment when it happened. I've read a few of the Legends comics with Vos, and I was pretty surprised how many of the major elements of the two versions of his story were the same.
I really like Vos and I hope we get to see him again in the new episodes.
I'm a take a bit of a break before I read the extra short story at the end.
Its nice for fans of the old comics, but honestly if I could pick a single Legends story to be told it would be the Jaina Solo post Crucible book(s?) that were apparently planned. Well, ok, actually I would want Karen traviss' last Republic/Imperial Commando book (thanks for leaving that on series on a cliffhanger, shitty Clone Wars cartoon mandalorians that got the RC/IC book series prematurely cancelled), but the Jaina Solo story would be more mainstream and a close second. Really, any closure for Jaina and some of the Legends only characters would be nice.
Its nice for fans of the old comics, but honestly if I could pick a single Legends story to be told it would be the Jaina Solo post Crucible book(s?) that were apparently planned. Well, ok, actually I would want Karen traviss' last Republic/Imperial Commando book (thanks for leaving that on series on a cliffhanger, shitty Clone Wars cartoon mandalorians that got the RC/IC book series prematurely cancelled), but the Jaina Solo story would be more mainstream and a close second. Really, any closure for Jaina and some of the Legends only characters would be nice.
Marvel wasn't involved in any of that. This is something that is being done by Marvel as part of their 80th Anniversary celebration, they've been releasing new issues of old series since the year started.
Its nice for fans of the old comics, but honestly if I could pick a single Legends story to be told it would be the Jaina Solo post Crucible book(s?) that were apparently planned.
Thing is, those book(s) were never even started in the first place beyond an outline and the ad artwork. It was also canceled long before the reboot closed the door on Legends. Beyond the fact that the Marvel one-shot is apparently only happening because of a Marvel program, the Sword of the Jedi, as much of a holy grail as it seems to be to Legends fans, is probably too much work with too much risk to be worth it. This isn't Escape From Dagau.
Well, ok, actually I would want Karen traviss' last Republic/Imperial Commando book (thanks for leaving that on series on a cliffhanger, shitty Clone Wars cartoon mandalorians that got the RC/IC book series prematurely cancelled)...
Blame Traviss; she was offered that last book and turned it down (such is her right, but still). For what it's worth, Traviss has explained what her plans for that last book would've been online and her installments of the Legacy of the Force series do build off the Commando stuff and offer some clues as to what happened in the long run (it's has practically nothing to do with the series itself, but whatever...). No replacement for the novel, but it's not a Force Unleashed II situation, either.
Read those books myself. Not bad, but I can't say I found them very engaging; the Clone Wars and Rebels TV shows did the Clone Troopers and Mandalorians better, IMHO (actually, the latter borrowed a bit from Traviss for the Mandolorian culture). I also have to say that I really understand where complaints about Traviss' biases against the Jedi and for the Mandalorians comes in; she really put it on thick (and was pretty salty to people who disagreed with her), even when it didn't fit very well with the rest of canon as a whole (the Order 66 novel has major continuity issues because she ignored the set timeline in favor of her own thing).
...but the Jaina Solo story would be more mainstream and a close second. Really, any closure for Jaina and some of the Legends only characters would be nice.
I'd've liked to have seen more with Kerra Holt in comics or prose myself. Not sure that Jaina would be "mainstream," though; fans who follow the tie-ins aren't really in the majority and new fans would be more likely to be tied into the canon stuff. Ten bucks says if a Jaina project got out there, there'd be a lot of confusion between her and Rey.
Marvel wasn't involved in any of that. This is something that is being done by Marvel as part of their 80th Anniversary celebration, they've been releasing new issues of old series since the year started.
Blame Traviss; she was offered that last book and turned it down (such is her right, but still). For what it's worth, Traviss has explained what her plans for that last book would've been online and her installments of the Legacy of the Force series do build off the Commando stuff and offer some clues as to what happened in the long run (it's has practically nothing to do with the series itself, but whatever...). No replacement for the novel, but it's not a Force Unleashed II situation, either.
I've read the stuff she shared, including what she wanted to do with the last book. The info better then nothing, but its still not another book. She would never have been allowed to write her book anyway, they would have made her retcon everything so it didn't make any sense to write it. She is 10,000 times the writer that Lucas or TCW writers are/were, and it would make no sense for her to basically just be a stenographer for whatever bullshit they would have made her put into the final book. She went out with her dignity, which was what she should have done. Lucas and TCW people are responsible for her last book not getting made, period.
Read those books myself. Not bad, but I can't say I found them very engaging; the Clone Wars and Rebels TV shows did the Clone Troopers and Mandalorians better, IMHO (actually, the latter borrowed a bit from Traviss for the Mandolorian culture). I also have to say that I really understand where complaints about Traviss' biases against the Jedi and for the Mandalorians comes in; she really put it on thick (and was pretty salty to people who disagreed with her), even when it didn't fit very well with the rest of canon as a whole (the Order 66 novel has major continuity issues because she ignored the set timeline in favor of her own thing).
EDIT: Spoiler tags added because it gets a bit involved, I find it hard to be concise when talking about this topic so I've tried to make this post a bit less "wall of text"ish by using spoiler tags in the sections where its mostly just my opinion about the Commando books.
Karen traviss's Mando books are some of my favorite books ever (not just SW books, but any books).
TCW Mandalorians were offensive. Fucking pacifists? Fuck off Lucas & TCW in general (and I say that as someone who generally liked TCW cartoon, outside of their fake mandalorians and the moronic clone brainwashing chips). Rebels was just stupid. Even ignoring the idiotic spunky grafitti "mandalorian", they would never let a weapon of their ancient enemies mean shit (seriously, the darksaber was some symbol of leadership? That was so stupid I laughed when it came up). The only good thing about the Rebels version is that the Mandalorians were warriors again, not shithead pacifists who I wanted to see die (I legitimately jumped out of my seat and cheered when the pacifist Mandalorian duchesss/queen/whatever was killed in TCW, it is the most satisfying death in the entire franchise to me).
Also, Traviss was completely right about the Jedi in my opinion. They were everything her books said, and it was nice to have a book series that pointed out that the Jedi being so cut off from normal people was bad, and that most of the Jedi, while not bad people, basically screwed themselves by being so set in their ways while also ignoring things they shouldn't (like how they are literally using a slave army). Hell, the movies don't even necessarily contradict that. I get really tired of the Jedi being treated like they are/were perfect holy men, which is actually one of the reasons I loved Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi, since he gave no shits about the general jedi sense of superiority BS anymore (he gave no shits, and it was great).
Its also why Legends handling of the post ROTJ jedi order will always be my favorite, because the new jedi ignored all the "lets be"emotionless monks whose heads are stuck directly up our own asses" style of TCW jedi.
As for the Order 66 book, it is better then anything in TCW, so even if there was a time;line problem, again I go with what she wrote over the hacks who invented stuff like pacifist mandalorians, hybrid human/twi'lek kids (you can't have a hybrid when one of the species has freaking brain tails, that is way too far off to be a thing), brainwashing chips in the clones, etc.
Anyway, I obviously feel very strongly about this. It was my favorite book series, screwed over because George Lucas was out of his damn mind and the people behind TCW were on a roller coaster of quality throughout the series (with their mando bullshit being probably the lowest they ever got outside of the jar jar episodes). TCW when it was at its best could be amazing, but I'd trade the entire series away without hesitation to get that last Karen traviss book
Have any of you guys read any of the Star Wars Adventures comics? I've been curious about them, but I want to get through more of the Marvel comics before I start them.
I am so down for this! The question remains is this a continuation in the sense that this will present the events after issue 107, or will it just be a new story set in that continuity? The Crimson Forever was in issue 50, and Valance the Hunter was killed in issue 29. So unless there's some way for his biological parts to have survived the corrosive nature of the acid lake that he threw himself into an attempt to kill Darth Vader, there has to be some amount of flashbackery involved.
The Tagge family was such an integral part of Archie Goodwin's run that it seemed odd that they never really came up again after the Crimson Forever. Of course, the Crimson Forever left Domina Tagge in a very precarious position, but nothing definitive was ever established about her fate.
It's awesome that they got Walt Simonson to do the cover. He was my favorite regular artist on the old Star Wars book (his first regular issue was 49 and assisted the great Al Williamson on issue 50, the aforementioned Crimson Forever) and he is actually co-creator of Valance the Hunter as Star Wars 16 was a fill-in issue written by Archie Goodwin that featured guest artist... Walter Simonson. Simonson's work on Star Wars is actually my first introduction to his work. His run on Thor I consider to be definitive to the character, second only to the works of Lee and Kirby.
On Simonson's Facebook page, he commented that it was really cool that Marvel kept the dedication to Archie Goodwin on the cover as he wasn't sure that it would make it to the final cover.
ETA: Variant cover by Carmine Infantino? That's going the full nine yards!
Valance the Hunter was killed in issue 29. So unless there's some way for his biological parts to have survived the corrosive nature of the acid lake that he threw himself into an attempt to kill Darth Vader, there has to be some amount of flashbackery involved.
I've read the stuff she shared, including what she wanted to do with the last book. The info better then nothing, but its still not another book. She would never have been allowed to write her book anyway, they would have made her retcon everything so it didn't make any sense to write it. She is 10,000 times the writer that Lucas or TCW writers are/were, and it would make no sense for her to basically just be a stenographer for whatever bullshit they would have made her put into the final book. She went out with her dignity, which was what she should have done. Lucas and TCW people are responsible for her last book not getting made, period.
Not sure about her being a better writer, but as far as her being "forced" to retcon, that's always how these things work. The Powers That Be okay everything and set the fences. That's how she wrote her original books, that's how all Star Wars writers write their books. It's okay if she decided to call it quits under the new policy (and I do agree that it would've been a continuity mess, as Legends was in the last phases of its life), but it was Traviss's decision to leave, as it was LucasFilm's decision to not continue the series after she left.
TCW Mandalorians were offensive. Fucking pacifists? Fuck off Lucas & TCW in general (and I say that as someone who generally liked TCW cartoon, outside of their fake mandalorians and the moronic clone brainwashing chips). Rebels was just stupid. Even ignoring the idiotic spunky grafitti "mandalorian", they would never let a weapon of their ancient enemies mean shit (seriously, the darksaber was some symbol of leadership? That was so stupid I laughed when it came up). The only good thing about the Rebels version is that the Mandalorians were warriors again, not shithead pacifists who I wanted to see die (I legitimately jumped out of my seat and cheered when the pacifist Mandalorian duchesss/queen/whatever was killed in TCW, it is the most satisfying death in the entire franchise to me).
Personally, I actually liked that the Mandalorians were defined so they weren't a monoculture, but one that had changed over time. It made them more realistic and was something I found interesting.
Sabine Wren was one of the more interesting Rebels characters IMHO, so we'll have to disagree with that. The reason that the Darksaber was an important relic of Mandalorian culture was explained in the episode in question, so make of that what you will.
Also, Traviss was completely right about the Jedi in my opinion. They were everything her books said, and it was nice to have a book series that pointed out that the Jedi being so cut off from normal people was bad, and that most of the Jedi, while not bad people, basically screwed themselves by being so set in their ways while also ignoring things they shouldn't (like how they are literally using a slave army). Hell, the movies don't even necessarily contradict that. I get really tired of the Jedi being treated like they are/were perfect holy men, which is actually one of the reasons I loved Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi, since he gave no shits about the general jedi sense of superiority BS anymore (he gave no shits, and it was great).
Its also why Legends handling of the post ROTJ jedi order will always be my favorite, because the new jedi ignored all the "lets be"emotionless monks whose heads are stuck directly up our own asses" style of TCW jedi.
Honestly, I thought they were a lot the same and that was one of my big problems with the post-ROTJ Jedi stuff. I wish that Legends had used the model Mon Mothma had suggested in the Corellian books.
As for the Order 66 book, it is better then anything in TCW, so even if there was a time;line problem, again I go with what she wrote over the hacks who invented stuff like pacifist mandalorians, hybrid human/twi'lek kids (you can't have a hybrid when one of the species has freaking brain tails, that is way too far off to be a thing), brainwashing chips in the clones, etc.
Anyway, I obviously feel very strongly about this. It was my favorite book series, screwed over because George Lucas was out of his damn mind and the people behind TCW were on a roller coaster of quality throughout the series (with their mando bullshit being probably the lowest they ever got outside of the jar jar episodes). TCW when it was at its best could be amazing, but I'd trade the entire series away without hesitation to get that last Karen traviss book
Seeing as I struggled to get through Traviss's books, I can't say I agree. It was a good idea, but I found something about it didn't work for me (maybe Traviss indulged herself too much). Myself, I'd take the clone-centric TCW episodes any day. Mileage may vary.
Have any of you guys read any of the Star Wars Adventures comics? I've been curious about them, but I want to get through more of the Marvel comics before I start them.
Some of them. It's an anthology series that jumps around the timeline and is written to be okay for younger audiences, but they've got some good stuff in there.
TCW Mandalorians were offensive. Fucking pacifists? Fuck off Lucas & TCW in general (and I say that as someone who generally liked TCW cartoon, outside of their fake mandalorians
I am so down for this! The question remains is this a continuation in the sense that this will present the events after issue 107, or will it just be a new story set in that continuity?
When I first learned of Star Wars #108 (well before the announcement), it wasn't clear to me if it were a one-shot or an ongoing. I was hoping for an ongoing, much like IDW's continuation of Marvel's G.I. Joe and Transformers comics, and I thought it would be really cool if an ongoing in the old Marvel continuity then incorporated elements for Kenner's planned post-Return of the Jedi action figures.
So, there was a minor twinge of disappointment to learn that it's just a one-shot.
I'm still buying it, regardless. Though, where will Marvel collect it...?
Not sure about her being a better writer, but as far as her being "forced" to retcon, that's always how these things work. The Powers That Be okay everything and set the fences. That's how she wrote her original books, that's how all Star Wars writers write their books. It's okay if she decided to call it quits under the new policy (and I do agree that it would've been a continuity mess, as Legends was in the last phases of its life), but it was Traviss's decision to leave, as it was LucasFilm's decision to not continue the series after she left.
This seems like a really odd attitude for someone who writes tie in books to have. You have to go into these jobs know that there's always a very good chance your work will be rendered obsolete by the canon, just look at what just happened with the first Star Trek: Discovery novel and the second season of the TV series. If can't handle this, then you should just stick to writing your own original stuff.
