Yeah, but there is no way Disney is going to make the people writing their billion dollar movies have to listen to the people in charge of books or cartoons.
As Nick Fury once said: "Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on." (
The Avengers)
(Who decides what movies are made, anyways? If there wasn't going to be some collaboration, they wouldn't've announced that everything is canon and of equal weight.)
Lost Stars is the the most YA book ever published in the SW franchise. Its really not hidden the fact that its made directly for the Twilight/Hunger Games/etc crowd.
You're wrong. You know how I know that? I've read the book. You have not. You're basing your opinions on your preconceived biased of YA literature. I'm basing mine on the actual text. You don't know all the details of the story. You don't know the writing style the author used. You don't know a thing about this book. I do. Unless you read the book and evaluate it for what it is, not what you want it to be, case closed.
Yeah, I'm sure the kiddie "survival guide" tells a whole lot about about the universe when its very specifically a kids book about Rey's life on jakku.
No, it tells a lot about Jakku and a few snippets of Rey's pre-movie life. A perfectly valid subject for a book. It's not the first time we've gotten stuff like that, such as
The Jedi Path,
Book of Sith,
Bounty Hunter's Code, etc., all books that were well-received.
Even in the "kiddie book that adds fluff to a movie" category, the Survival Guide is extremely specific and pointless. I mean, I guess if you want to know the boring details of Rey finding and cleaning old ship parts for years then it would be the book to read. But, even among fluff the topic of the Survival Guide is extremely unimportant.
Once again, you have not read the book like I have, so you have no credibility when it comes to making absolute statements about what the book is.
Do I need to make a defense for
Rey's Survival Guide? Fine. Here you are. First of all, it gave me a chance to spend more time with my favorite character from the movie. It also expanded on the Jakku setting. I really liked that world and found it interesting to learn about what was over the hill, what Rey was thinking of when she warned BB-8 about the Sinking Fields, where Niima Outpost came from etc. The content is varied. We get a lot of technical info about salvage, but we also get bits of history of Jakku (including the theories behind the Battle of Jakku), a lot about the cultures that live there, and some details about Rey herself, from her perspective. It's pretty interesting. It also made the place feel more real to me, like I was looking at an artifact from the movie that had popped out of the TV screen. It made the movie's story seem a little more personal and less removed.
Finally, it's a well-made book. Since you're ostensibly picking up a journal Rey kept in a notebook, artists went the extra mile to make it look the part. The text is printed in a handwritten font and doesn't always line up perfectly. There's damage printed on the pages and all sorts of interesting pictures and fold out diagrams that are "taped" in place. Other pictures are rendered as if Rey had sketched them. It's a joy to look at. Based on the quality of craftsmanship that went into it, it's easily one of the best new additions to the
Star Wars library.
(Another thing. You're using "importance" as the only judgement of value on
Star Wars books. That is far from the only reason that a
Star Wars book can be enjoyed or have reason to exist.
Kenobi is one of the best
Star Wars books written and that one is hardly "important." The reason its good is because of the story and characters.)
Yeah, but Filoni and the creative people aren't animating the show themselves.
True, they're only overseeing and managing the entire staff and making sure that the show comes out on time. That's is a big job, and not a nice one to have if you hate the topic of the show.
With Rebels, you don't need to see much of the show to have an informed opinion on the show. Its like He-Man or captain Planet, after the first 5-10 episodes you basically know the series inside and out.
I haven't seen those shows, so I can't reference it. Also, that doesn't sound like
Rebels at all.
That said, what I've been seeing of Season 3 isn't supporting your side of things. Its better then what I saw in Seasons 1 and 2, but it has a lot of the same problems and Kanan is the only character with real growth. Ezra is now angsty, but if anything he's more unbelievably over powered now. I'm really dreading seeing their "Thrawn".
Okay, I don't agree with you, but this is an informed opinion. You are judging the show by its actual new output, not its past or by what you think it will be. This is exactly the kind of discussion I've been looking for.
Not really relevant to anything. Rebels has a long history of being terrible. Jurassic World had no history of being anything.
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. My point was that a clip is not an accurate assessment of the larger work by itself and
Jurassic World was one example where that was proven true. That's all.
TCW was better then Rebels from episode 1. More complex characters, better writing, and much better animation and designs.
While
Clone Wars had good animation, I think I like the less angular and warmer design of the
Rebels animation better. The show seems more vibrant and colorful. (I will concede there are a couple missteps;
Rebels had really weak Wookiee designs and Yoda is awful beyond words, but those are isolated incidents, IMHO.)
As far as the characters and writing, I think
Rebels has this over
Clone Wars; from day one,
Rebels knew exactly what kind of show it was going to be, what the story it was going to tell was, and how to get from the opener to the finale and did just that.
Clone Wars dithered around in its early years before finding its voice. Whether or not you liked
Also, by my logic firing the people in charge of bad shows tend to help make the shows better.
You have yet to prove that the
Rebels team are bad at their jobs, much less that firing them would be an improvement.
And I know what YA books are, so I know what I'm talking about. If it wasn't written in the YA style, it wouldn't be a YA book.
Buddy, as someone who has an extensive writing background, let me tell you that each author has their own voice, writing style, and idea of story to tell. One size never fits all. You have to take each book on its own terms.
And vice versa.
Again, its about the style of writing and the demographic.
The former of which varies from specific book to specific book and the latter is extremely subjective and arbitrary.
Classic literature, good or bad, wasn't written like Twilight/Hunger Games/Lost Stars/etc.
Popular writing styles and techniques change over time. The future classics will be different in style from the established ones. That's neither good nor bad, much less evidence that YA books are inherently inferior to GA books.
In my opinion the best YA book ever is inferior to the worst GA book written. By what it is a YA book is inferior in ever way to any GA book.
That makes no sense. Good art is good art and bad art is bad art, regardless of the medium or intended audience. And I can prove within reason, too. In the movie industry, many Pixar films are considered superior to movies targeted exclusively at adults, because the Pixar movies are well-made movies on all levels. You've admitted as much yourself with your love for the YA
Harry Potter books.
One, I don't count SW book reviews as important, especially for Lost Stars. YA books are the hot property, so the book will get good reviews.
Whatever.
As for my experience, why the heck would I read a YA book? Outside of Harry Potter, I hated YA books even when I was in the age range. I read about 15 pages of Twilight once out of morbid curiosity. I've also looked stuff up about YA books, and seen enough parts of the movies and reviews of them to get a very clear picture of the YA genre. There is a definite difference in writing quality between GA SW books and Twilight, I can tell you that much. Based on the movies, there is a lot of difference in the style of the SW movies and books compared to garbage like The Hunger Games, Mortal Insruments, Twilight or Divergent series.
What part of "
Lost Stars is not written like a YA book" are you not listening to? Remember, I've read it. You don't. I know what I'm talking about. You don't.
Also,
Ahsoka, the other big new YA
Star Wars book actually avoids all the cliches of many YA books. It reads like a normal book with a different sized cover. The point is, you can't generalize this stuff. I know what I'm talking about; I've read more typical YA books and there are differences.
You don't have to read a bunch of YA books to get the style. That's like saying I have to shoot myself to say it hurts to get shot. You can learn about things without directly experiencing them, which has been my philosophy when it comes to angsty teen s^&t like YA books.
There is no one style for any one book. Also, I've read YA books that avoid "teen angst" and other things that you say you don't like.
YA books aren't particularly complex, you don't have to read all of them to know what they are and judge them. Sure, some might have uniquely horrible parts (there probably aren't shiny vampires in The Hunger Games, and based on the movies the Twilight people dress less stupidly then Hunger Games people) but the focus on teen drama and general angst, along with the general cliches of the genre, are universal for YA books. Harry Potter I'd call more of a "family" series, if that makes sense. It definitely was written for a different audience then the more brain dead stuff like Twilight or Divergent, and didn't follow any of the cliches (outside of a young main cast, but some GA books have young main cast members, too).
The more you write, the more you show a great deal of ignorance about this subject. YA is not a genre; it comprises many genres. You don't like one (which seems to be "paranormal teen romance"-like stuff). That is not the be-all-end-all definition of a YA book. Heck, I've seen
Twilight-like books in the GA range! You're making a generalization that doesn't exist.
So, yeah, being an adult who hates teen angst I don't read YA books. But I've learned more then enough about them to form my opinion, and I didn't have to suffer through complete garbage like Divergent, Twilight, Mortal instruments or The Hunger Games to learn about the genre.
That's your right as a consumer, and everyone is entitled to an opinion. I personally find the YA label to be the same as a warning label on poisonous chemicals. Its there to tell people who aren't in the age group/hate the YA stuff to stay away.
But I've learned more then enough about them to form my opinion, and I didn't have to suffer through complete garbage like Divergent, Twilight, Mortal instruments or The Hunger Games to learn about the genre.
So, you don't read YA books because you don't like a specific genre that some authors write with the YA market in mind? Okay. Then why the heck are you lumping other YA stuff that has nothing to do with the
Twilight crap into the same label? They're not the same thing.
Luckily, the EU has always been and will always be focused on the real SW books...
The EU includes both GA and YA and both are real.
Star Wars YA publishing is still going on, so it's alive and well. In fact, I've seen more YA books announced than GA books for future printing.
...and the YA trash is nothing more then ignorable fluff.
Since you've shown repeatedly that you do not know what "YA" means, I think you are very wrong.
I'll still get to that Hera episode, though. The episode I watched didn't show much Thrawn, but the Hera episode should show more.
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