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I'm doing my second ever read of the Fate of the Jedi series. I'm halfway through book 3 right now, Abyss, and Abeloth finally showed up and I'm loving it.
This is a wonderful series, but the first two books were really do-nothings. They should have collapsed the events of 1 and 2 into a single book. There's really nothing important in 2 it's just repeating the same events of the first book (Jedi going crazy, Daala persecuting Jedi, Luke and Ben visiting weird Force users), and I just really did not care about an entire subplot about Vestara's life with the Sith. She doesn't become interesting to me until she enters the main story.
I'm really looking forward to reading the rest of the series; as I recall, aside from the first two books I loved all of it!
This is a wonderful series, but the first two books were really do-nothings. They should have collapsed the events of 1 and 2 into a single book. There's really nothing important in 2 it's just repeating the same events of the first book (Jedi going crazy, Daala persecuting Jedi, Luke and Ben visiting weird Force users), and I just really did not care about an entire subplot about Vestara's life with the Sith. She doesn't become interesting to me until she enters the main story.
I'm really looking forward to reading the rest of the series; as I recall, aside from the first two books I loved all of it!
The other reason Fate of the Jedi rocks? It's FUN. New Jedi Order was so bleak and depressing. LOTF was about a primary character turning evil and killing another major character and everyone being miserable. FOTJ on the other hand is just good old fashioned high adventure with Luke getting to slice and dice a bunch of Sith while cracking jokes with his son and facing a god like evil. It's never bleak or dark, despite the bad things that happen.
This is also my favorite series for the characterization. Most of the earlier books saddle Luke with nazel gazing inaction making him come off as irresponsible or incompetent. But the Luke of FOTJ is a complete bad ass who doesn't hesitate to chop the Sith into little pieces. It's so refreshing to see him smart, proactive, and not afraid to fight. I also loved seeing a positive relationship with Ben after all the drama they went through in LOTF. Han and Leia taking care of Allana was a lot of fun too, and Jaina is a self realized competent adult and not a whiny teenager. Everybody is at the top of their game.
This is also my favorite series for the characterization. Most of the earlier books saddle Luke with nazel gazing inaction making him come off as irresponsible or incompetent. But the Luke of FOTJ is a complete bad ass who doesn't hesitate to chop the Sith into little pieces. It's so refreshing to see him smart, proactive, and not afraid to fight. I also loved seeing a positive relationship with Ben after all the drama they went through in LOTF. Han and Leia taking care of Allana was a lot of fun too, and Jaina is a self realized competent adult and not a whiny teenager. Everybody is at the top of their game.
I liked FOTJ, but it definitely had problems. Stuff like how the Galactic Alliance would never have
. I also loathed Abeloth, easily the worst villain in the old EU and her
was stupid, and only happened to help make the GA start
. Plus, the idea of the "Ones" is the worst concept ever connected to the Star Wars universe (although admittedly they aren't a problem specific to the book series) and everything connected to them is just terrible.
Still, the series had its good parts (like Jaina and the Han/Leia/Alanna stuff), and it was better than most of Legacy of the Force (except for Karen Traviss's awesome mandalorian stuff in her LOTF books). Plus, it was interesting to see Sith again, and I'd have liked to see where that was going.
let the psycho they put in charge actually be in charge. Daala becoming president of the GA is one of the most laughably stupid turn of events in the old EU
"making jedi crazy" gimmick
acting more like the empire under palpatine
Still, the series had its good parts (like Jaina and the Han/Leia/Alanna stuff), and it was better than most of Legacy of the Force (except for Karen Traviss's awesome mandalorian stuff in her LOTF books). Plus, it was interesting to see Sith again, and I'd have liked to see where that was going.
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I agree with a lot of what Kirk55555 said about FOTJ. Though I thought the idea of The Ones was interesting and how the literature tied into it. I did like the idea of Abeloth, not as much the depiction and execution.
I thought FOTJ was decent, but like Kirk said, there was some bad decisions made. I also think that they threw too many plots or subplots into it.
I did like LOTF more, more for the idea of the series more than the execution. I did think LOTF made great use of Lumiya. And I liked her take on the Sith. The idea of a noble Sith intrigues me still.
I agree with a lot of what Kirk55555 said about FOTJ. Though I thought the idea of The Ones was interesting and how the literature tied into it. I did like the idea of Abeloth, not as much the depiction and execution.
I thought FOTJ was decent, but like Kirk said, there was some bad decisions made. I also think that they threw too many plots or subplots into it.
I did like LOTF more, more for the idea of the series more than the execution. I did think LOTF made great use of Lumiya. And I liked her take on the Sith. The idea of a noble Sith intrigues me still.
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Has anybody read the Hand Of Thrawn duology or Outbound Flight? I'm a huge fan of the Thrawn trilogy, I saved up my allowance to buy the hardback of each one when they came out and I've re-read them probably 10 times over the years since. So I've been interested in checking the other Zahn/Thrawn books but never got around to it. Are they any good? What little I know of the Hand Of Thrawn books doesn't sound all that great, but Outbound Flight sounds promising and I read the first chapter because it was included as a preview in some other Star Wars book I read and it seemed very promising. I know Outbound flight is a prequel to all the other books, but does it help to have read the duology before reading it?
They're good, but not as good as the Thrawn Trilogy.
Hand of Thrawn was a decent way to close out the Bantam Era (1991-1999) and try to tie it all together, but it was definitely a disappointment when it came out. Sadly, it promised some awesome things in the future that never came to pass.
Outbound Flight is actually my favorite Zahn book after the Thrawn Trilogy. It shows Thrawn being an absolute bad ass, has lots of great action, and is full of great set up and Prequel Era stuff. And it has my all time favorite throw away line about Sidious
Meanwhile, I'm finishing book 5 of the Fate of the Jedi series today. So much fun to read this again! Though I'm not terribly interested in the whole slavery rebellion storyline. I can't even remember where it goes though... I love waiting long enough to reread a book that I can't remember how it ends
Hand of Thrawn was a decent way to close out the Bantam Era (1991-1999) and try to tie it all together, but it was definitely a disappointment when it came out. Sadly, it promised some awesome things in the future that never came to pass.
It promised a clone of Thrawn would come to unite the galaxy and save us from the coming Vong Invasion, but we never saw these Thrawn clones again.
Outbound Flight is actually my favorite Zahn book after the Thrawn Trilogy. It shows Thrawn being an absolute bad ass, has lots of great action, and is full of great set up and Prequel Era stuff. And it has my all time favorite throw away line about Sidious
explaining that he's taking over the galaxy in order to SAVE it from the coming Vong invasion which he has foreseen. What do you think the Death Star was REALLY for? Those damned Rebels doomed trillions to die!
Meanwhile, I'm finishing book 5 of the Fate of the Jedi series today. So much fun to read this again! Though I'm not terribly interested in the whole slavery rebellion storyline. I can't even remember where it goes though... I love waiting long enough to reread a book that I can't remember how it ends
I finished Outbound Flight last night, it was enjoyable but I was a little disappointed. It wasn't really what I was expecting or hoping for but I'm glad I read it. I wasn't really sure what Obi-Wan and Anakin were doing there, other than Zahn wanting to have some main characters from the prequels in there. Then they just disappear about halfway through with their plotline having never really gone anywhere. Several plotlines didn't seem to go anywhere or were kind of pointless. It didn't answer the questions I'd hoped it would answer and the ones it did (like how exactly Outbound Flight was destroyed) I think I preferred as a mystery. Thrawn was a bad ass but he was just SO nice, I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop and for his sinister plan to unfold. Meanwhile C'baoth really wasn't all that much different from his supposedly insane clone. Still, it was a lot better than some Star Wars books I've read but I was expecting a little more.
I posted about this in the Rebels thread, but since it's a book I'll post here too.
E.K. Johnston is going to be writing a YA novel about Ahsoka during the time between The Clone Wars and Rebels.
E.K. Johnston is going to be writing a YA novel about Ahsoka during the time between The Clone Wars and Rebels.
Anybody read that Revan book? I love the KOTOR games and have been tempted to read it but I've hesitated. In the games Revan was whoever you wanted him/her to be and I wasn't sure about reading some definitive/concrete characterization. When does it occur in the timeline, like before or after the game? I'm also kind of interested in the Force Unleashed book, I know some people aren't crazy about the game/character because of his exaggerated Force abilities but I enjoyed him and thought it might be a fun read.
The Revan book is pretty good. Ever since the end of KOTR1 I'd been dying to find out what the hell happened when s/he disappeared and this is the answer. It also follows up on the KOTR2 characters. It IS super weird to have personalities stamped onto your playable characters though.
Hippocrates Noah said:
Canonically they had to choose something... he's white male Mullet Man, apparently.
Hippocrates Noah said:
Part 1 takes place after the first game but before the second. Part 2 takes place after KOTOR 2.
Mr Light said:
You mean ever since the end of KOTOR 2, right? It was only revealed in the second game that Revan disappeared after KOTOR.
I didn't care for the Revan book. I didn't play the game so I didn't have much of an attachment to Revan going into the novel. I knew he was a bad ass ex-Sith Lord and that he had a cool look. His part of the book didn't do much for me, though I did like learning more about the Sith Emperor. And Scourge was also a decent Sith Lord.
I liked the Malgus novel, Deceived a lot more.
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