Star Trek XIV: What do you want?
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Hemsworth is a big box office star even after Ghostbusters and a couple of other flops, far moreso than William Shatner (who I presume would be the older Kelvin-Kirk?), so yes.
Plus Kirk's daddy issues have haunted him for 3 films, putting them to rest with sci-fi is the logical way to go with his character.
Ok, “Yesterday’s Kelvin” is the way to go for XIV.
That does not mean there is no reason to revisit nuKhan and we don’t make the most of the Kelvin timeline and explore new possibilities, like Khan and the augments in the 24th century. There was an undeveloped idea for Trek where the 11th final was supposed to be a TNG film and be like the Avengers featuring Picard, Data, Odo, The Doctor, Kirk and Spock against Khan and Shinzon. Why not use the idea but turn the concept on its head, and have Khan (and Carol Marcus) fill in for Kirk and Spock in the Kelvin version of events? Against
“Tomorrow’s Enterprise” has as much merit as “Yesterday’s Kelvin” and would not be reliant on bringing the Kelvinverse cast back for another film. Its would be Star Trek’s answer to the Star Wars standalone films.
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if the idea behind the Hemsworth ST4 (aka Trek Thor) was to basically rework Yesterdays Enterprise (Yesterdays Kelvin) then that couldve been a great film.. start off witha recreation of the opening of ST09 only now the kelvin somehow gets blasted through the redmatter blackhole and appears in the TOS era to a new warship version of the 1701 (more like Discoprise) .. Romulans having taken over most the galaxy for past 30years (but nero probably dead by then so another Romulan villain in charge of the Narada ..no need for Bana to have a major role beyond a flashback cameo).. Kelvin has to be sent back.. you know the rest
well that was basically the Orci/Shatner ST3 which it appears got adapted into the Hemsworth ST4 (now theres rumours from the usual BS rumour sites that a multiple Captain Kirks film is in production - News? Stories from Dubious Sources | Page 62 | The Trek BBS so itd go from the Shatner/Pine ST3 that was adapted into a Hemsworth/Pine ST4 which is now going back to a Shatner/Pine film?!)
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I wish but they're probably regurgitating rumours.
I guess I would want a Paramount+ tie-in.
Specifically, I'd want them to do a movie that leads into a new Star Trek Paramount+ series. And pick any time period, it doesn't mater. Although, it's probably best to set it after Discovery, that way you're free and clear of everything.
2023... maybe end Discovery at that point after five or six seasons, and maybe the series finale can set up the movie, and go from there.
I suppose you could reboot everything too, but you don't really have to I guess, just keep moving forward.
Of course, you could use the movie for a reboot of sorts anyway. Because Picard I imagine will be done by 2023. Strange New Worlds... as much as it's anticipated, I dunno. Because season after season of trying not to "break" anything may get kind of tired real quick. So we may not get a great deal of "Strange" and "New" with this show. We'll see though, but I don't know...
So maybe just use the new movie to launch a number of things. Maybe use it to launch three shows or something.
Maybe have Rocket Girl (Michael Burnham) and Book have a child (or children), and have them grow up and join Starfleet. Set that up in the Discovery finale, further develop it in the movie, and then spin it off as one of the three series. And this is your drama show, because any children of Mikey Spock will have drama. And I suppose this will be your "woke" show too... or whatever the usual suspects will be calling it in 2024 or whenever; probably still "woke" because they're not that creative and they're running out of phrases to appropriate.
Do something with Section 31 in the movie, set naturally in the 32nd century. Then spin that off into a television series. And use that as your big action show that some of the hardcore Trekkies will absolutely hate but most everyone else will absolutely love. People love action, so give 'em the action. Just contain it to one show though, a Section 31 show. That's where you go for your "bang-bang" and your "tick-tick-boom," and your karate kicks and dope back flips, because that's what they do there. And maybe borrow some things from Mission: Impossible and put it there too.
The last series that you introduce in the movie would be your standard "planet of the week" Star Trek show. Yes, let Strange New Worlds end and just do it in the 32nd century, that way you don't have to worry about "breaking" anything. And you get the cool tech too.
Do animated shows too. Sure, why not.
So that's what I would want. Do a movie that sets the stage for a new round of shows for Paramount+.
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Or I suppose you could do something not as cool too.
Either/or.
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I'm all for a Yesterday's Enterprise remake that throws the Kelvin ahead 30/40 years, just before Nero's incursion, removing (James) Kirk from the timeline. Spock must convince George that he must return, since without Kirk, Nero succeeded in destroying Vulcan, Earth, and most of the Federation. But he is torn by the knowledge (relayed by Prime Spock) that the destruction of the Kelvin compromised the "real" timeline. So he must decide if he should return the Kelvin with enough firepower to destroy the Narada....
Also, Yesterday's Enterprise aired over 31 years ago, so it's nigh time to bring back this great story.
Also, Yesterday's Enterprise aired over 31 years ago, so it's nigh time to bring back this great story.
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I think at this point it would make more sense for Shatner to play an older KelvinKirk than KirkPrime restored.
He's nearly 3 decades older than when he filmed Generations, plus you could do more with it e.g. put him in a shiny new-style uniform, still in Starfleet either still a Captain or Admiral.
Maybe KelvinKirk and the universe/Starfleet's life-journey can take a slightly different direction. (thiough Shatner could pass for about 20 years younger than he actually is)
He's nearly 3 decades older than when he filmed Generations, plus you could do more with it e.g. put him in a shiny new-style uniform, still in Starfleet either still a Captain or Admiral.
Maybe KelvinKirk and the universe/Starfleet's life-journey can take a slightly different direction. (thiough Shatner could pass for about 20 years younger than he actually is)
I beg to differ. It isn’t the Star Trek brand driving people away. It’s the people steering the brand that drives people away. Star Trek isn’t a mass appeal brand and never has been. It also isn’t that great when it’s made for mass appeal consumption. Star Trek really works best with smaller budgets, concise and traditional filming style, and a script written about Star Trek and with Star Trek fans in mind.
Star Trek isn’t an action movie. It can contain action, but it has to be intelligent. Scotty jumping from an escape pod at velocity, landing on a cliffs and then skirting quickly toward the edge only to narrowly escape death by clinging on by his fingertips is ridiculous. It’s a Herculean task that no most Trek fans won’t believe but a newbie will. Why sacrifice the fan that will see the movie two plus times in theaters, buy it on Blu-ray, and then get the toys and collectibles, for the mainstream fan who will watch it once and never again?
And Star Trek fans are passionate about Trek. It means much more to most of us than a brand, or TV show, or IP. So we love it and we’re going to be critical. Whether it’s good or not we will pick it apart and discuss it. But fans will watch and pay for even mediocre Trek if it’s in keeping with the spirit of Trek. And that’s gone. Bad Robot and now Secret Hideout aren’t writing Star Trek. They’re writing cool action flicks at best and CW dramas at worst, and putting a Star Trek skin on it.
Most modern Trek from Nemesis in the movies and anything after Enterprise on TV don’t reflect Trek at all. And so ideologically possessed are the current writers that what they describe as optimism in Trek is a positive aspect of the show, like diverse casting. But fans are looking for optimistic as in a universe where humans have progressed past their provincial attitudes and cultural infancy and the evil bad guy is usually an alien from an enemy species. But current day Trek is dark and dystopic. Starfleet is militant, xenophobic, and stratified by class. Humans can be both specifically and generally the bad guys in an evil and broken Starfleet/Federation. And of course that’s like pointing back at your human, current day audience and calling them out. It’s a thinly veiled attempt to critique those in the audience who might not be full on board whatever train the mighty creatives behind the scenes are riding on.
And so bad is the new stuff that it’s not just the near magic tech that’s totally fictional, but most of the science is bad. Most of the action completely unrealistic. For all of original Treks flaws they largely kept their action sequences closer to what was plausible for trained military personnel. Modern stuff is unbelievable. In TOS the slight and short Chekhov wasn’t defeating large aliens nearly twice his size but in Discovery slight women are beating beefy Klingons. Or in the movies they’re playing motocross with dirt bikes. It’s too non-sensical and too far away from what it is at heart.
Once you take your IP so far from the source material you can’t be surprised if it fails. And if you sacrifice your core audience for an unconfirmed new audience that might not exist, you can’t be surprised if your property stops being evergreen in way of returns.
Pre-Kelvin licensed products still sold and moved up until a few years ago and new stuff mostly doesn’t. You can Google the sources, but licensing for NuTrek products largely falls between ships and print on demand products like shirts, stickers, keychains, mugs, etc. The fandom doesn’t really like this stuff and viewership seems to point to that. And you can’t lay the blame at the feet of fans when hundreds of millions are pumped into a product that doesn’t resemble anything that the core audience recognizes. It’s Paramount/CBS who are to blame. Star Trek can still make money and it can still make ongoing annual returns for licensed products if they make something fans can invest themselves in. But it has to be a Star Trek world that fans want to live in. I’d rather deal with cancer in the 21st century and die painfully than to get instant 24th century cure but then have to live in the world that is Trek 2009 or worse still Discovery or Picard.
Trek REALLY doesn’t require more gatekeeping.
What a unique and fresh perspective. I haven't heard any of this before. It's refreshing.
Nope.
I remember the days when it was Enterprise that didn't reflect Trek at all!
Since when!? Enterprise has always been tru TrekI remember the days when it was Enterprise that didn't reflect Trek at all!
The truest Trek.
Some of them to the point of appearing to be utterly humorless on the subject, or even to be steely-eyed religious zealots.
If one were to do a head-count or show of hands, I suspect one might find that a lot of Star Trek fans would prefer not to have those steely-eyed zealots making assertions on our behalf. One might also find that said zealots aren't nearly so numerous as they would have us believe.
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No.Score +5 Wild-eyed-Fanboi points for the "core audience" canard.
Bravo. :golfclap: What could have been a strong finish was rather marred by the too-predictable appeal to cancer, but that's hardly unexpected given the type and scope of the checklist which led relentlessly to such a conclusion.
'K, you've had your allotted time on the soapbox. Now shoo.
And don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
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I would have been remiss in my duties had I not done my homework before replying, no?
Not bothered about a movie right now, although I enjoyed the Kelvin films I don't feel invested in them.
I also see nothing about the current series I need to see on the big screen, I'm enjoying Trek TV right now. That's enough for me.
I also see nothing about the current series I need to see on the big screen, I'm enjoying Trek TV right now. That's enough for me.
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