I remember watching a movie more than 30 years ago which had that song in the soundtrack. Great scene.
ROCK & ROLL HIGH SCHOOL, right?
Star Trek XII : Top Secret
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ROCK & ROLL HIGH SCHOOL, right?
I did this with (what turned out to be) First Contact. It was 15 years ago, but I think there were various rumours of massive rag-tag fleets hiding in nebulas after Earth's destruction, and the impression I think I had, at one time certainly, was no time travel at all, for most of the build up anyway. Saw the film several times at the cinema (I was a teenager), including (the first?) showing at the Odeon Manchester, which was preceeded by some guys in Klingon makeup and battle gear fighting in front of the screen. I later saw it twice on one day, so the buildup didn't spoil it for me.
2 years later, with the 9th movie, I stayed clear away from anything to spoil my enjoyment of it. If the film is good, you'll enjoy it a lot. If the film isn't good, you wont. For what it's worth I've seen the new film 4 times now, twice at the cinema, twice on DVD over xmas (3 day gap) - I have a life now though, in the 90's I spent most my waking life on trek-related stuff online (over a modem, at 1p/minute)
I would love to see the doomsday machine or Klingons in the next one, or both in 3D.
It's pretty hard to hide secrets about a successful franchise. In the current state people thought Trek was toast and so there was little interest and excitement save that of the fans perhaps. In this instance though it was quite the smash hit so it will quite hard to hide what is happening. As it's not the production company trying to broadcast but all those hoping to make money on the previous success (tabloids paper and TV).
As to what I'm hoping for in the next one..
Stop time traveling (at least deliberately anyway). We need to have cohesiveness if we are to get to know these characters (all over again). Perhaps something involving the prime directive. It was a lynch pin in the series. The crew really haven't faced that yet and perhaps hasn't come into being at the time we last saw the crew. Perhaps an event that creates the need for the directive and then a situation where they have to either live by it or violate it. The former could be an event could happen outside of 'current events' and shown in retrospective.
I thought the inner (emotional) conflicts were one of the best parts of trek. As 'Q' put it. "That is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence".
BTW - As much as I like 'Q' and John DeLancie I'm thinking it's way to soon for him to show up. Or other members from the Continuum for that matter.
I"m like all of you hoping the second one knocks my socks off like the first Nu-Trek.
As to what I'm hoping for in the next one..
Stop time traveling (at least deliberately anyway). We need to have cohesiveness if we are to get to know these characters (all over again). Perhaps something involving the prime directive. It was a lynch pin in the series. The crew really haven't faced that yet and perhaps hasn't come into being at the time we last saw the crew. Perhaps an event that creates the need for the directive and then a situation where they have to either live by it or violate it. The former could be an event could happen outside of 'current events' and shown in retrospective.
I thought the inner (emotional) conflicts were one of the best parts of trek. As 'Q' put it. "That is the exploration that awaits you. Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence".
BTW - As much as I like 'Q' and John DeLancie I'm thinking it's way to soon for him to show up. Or other members from the Continuum for that matter.
I"m like all of you hoping the second one knocks my socks off like the first Nu-Trek.
I normally soak up every spoiler I can find (I even read the last page of a book before I read the first page!), but it was a nice experience going in to STXI and not knowing certain things, like Vulcan being destroyed and Amanda dying. But I also liked the anticipation of knowing Leonard Nimoy's Spock was going to be appearing, but not knowing where he'd show up.
For XII, I think I'd like to remain largely unspoiled, but unfortunately, I know me--as an unrepentant spoiler whore, if they're out there I'll be looking for them. It's a disease.
For XII, I think I'd like to remain largely unspoiled, but unfortunately, I know me--as an unrepentant spoiler whore, if they're out there I'll be looking for them. It's a disease.
I did it as a teenager for STMP, and it was a lot harder in those pre-Internet days (even over a modem at 1p/minute). I regularly visited the news-stands and bought any issue of Starlog or any other sci-fi or movie magazine that had even a blurb on the movie in it.
My name is Franklin, and I'm a spoiler whore.I'll read the last page of a book before I read the first page, too.
Actually, I think both of you make a valid point explaining how some of us spoiler whores think. To us, it doesn't make a movie any less entertaining. There's still the anticipation of the event, finally seeing the story unfold in front of you in its entireity, seeing it as it's executed artistically on the big screen, and even the well-spoiled get a few surprises along the way.
I did it as a teenager for STMP, and it was a lot harder in those pre-Internet days (even over a modem at 1p/minute). I regularly visited the news-stands and bought any issue of Starlog or any other sci-fi or movie magazine that had even a blurb on the movie in it.
I'll read the last page of a book before I read the first page, too.
Actually, I think both of you make a valid point explaining how some of us spoiler whores think. To us, it doesn't make a movie any less entertaining. There's still the anticipation of the event, finally seeing the story unfold in front of you in its entireity, seeing it as it's executed artistically on the big screen, and even the well-spoiled get a few surprises along the way.
Hi, Franklin! You are absolutely right. My reasoning for reading the last page of a book first (beside preparing myself for any sad endings, which I hate) is that, knowing the ending, I love seeing how everything fits into that ending. The process is most of the fun for me. And it's similar with movie or TV spoilers. If I'm unspoiled, I'm terrible at guessing (for instance) whether the butler murdered Lord Whatsisname, or whether his young attractive wife did the deed. I'd make a lousy detective. But if I already know Lady Bimbotina did it, I can spot the clues along the way, and I enjoy looking for that stuff. In STXI, I knew Spock Prime was coming along, and I had fun trying to figure out how he was going to fit into the story.
It's a weird mindset, but I'm glad to see others do the same thing. I now call this meeting of SWA (Spoiler Whores Anonymous) to order!
To be it depends on what sort of "spoiler" it is, frankly, I thought they went a bit far in the production staff by literately having people in cloaks if they went outside to hide their costumes.
As for the Q reference...I would hope they don't use him, I'm, more opposed to that then the reuse of Kahn, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did it.
As for the Q reference...I would hope they don't use him, I'm, more opposed to that then the reuse of Kahn, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did it.
There is the flip side to spoilers too. If you get turned off by them then you may be judging prematurely and not want to watch the movie. If the movie (spoiler) takes you where you may not want trek to go?
I'm in favor of a concentrated campaign of misinformation. The movie should be produced alongside two dummy productions. A network of spies should keep track of forums like this one, along with a few plants and double-agents to disseminate false information. The reports should be believable, but subtly-conflicting, and occasionally mingled with nuggets of truth that will be mostly discounted because of the intrigue.
That way people like me—who think they want to know spoilers but really don't—will be able to have their cake and eat it too.
That way people like me—who think they want to know spoilers but really don't—will be able to have their cake and eat it too.
I remember before Star Trek XI I tortured myself by avoiding discussion threads and the movie novel in order to up the suspense. It was painful, but made the viewing of the movie all the more worthwhile. I think keeping the whole thing under wraps will make the whole thing more fun, even if I go crazy and rip out all my hair waiting 2 years for it!
I think that, if what happened with the last movie can be taken as a guide, the last six to eight months prior to the release date will be where serious spoiler-avoidance need be practiced. Up until that point is reached, the occasional very minor spoiler buried in mountains of speculation, wild conjecture and unfounded rumor are likely to be the normal diet in here. No guarantees, but it should be safe for the spoiler-free for quite a while, yet.
