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Star Trek XI FAQ 1.01

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Star Trek XI FAQ 1.01
updated July 18th


Is there really a new official Trek film project in development at
Paramount?

Yes. It was originally reported in Variety on April 20th, 2006. Subsequently
it has been confirmed by Paramount and the producers associated with it

What happened to the Rick Berman/Eric Jenderson Romulan War project?
Star Trek: The Beginning

Jenderson submitted a script and it was rejected. Paramount has confirmed
that Rick Berman is not involved with Trek XI. It appears
Paramount is also not interested in the Star Trek Nemesis sequel idea
submitted by Nemesis scribes John Logan and Brent Spiner. As of now no one
previously involved with Star Trek appears to be involved at any level.this
may change as they get closer to production.

Who is confirmed to be involved?
Essentially the same team behind Paramount's 2006 release: Mission
Impossible 3

Producers: JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelhof and Bryan Burke
Story: : JJ Abrams
Screenplay: Abrams with Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman (Kurtzman and Orci
also written Paramount's 2007 Transformers film)
Director: (probably) Abrams
there are conflicting reports on if Abrams is confirmed to direct

What is the budget?
Unknown

What is it called?
Unknown

What Trek era is it set in? (TOS, TNG, etc)
Unknown (definitively). However various comments from those involved
indicate that STXI would take place in the pre-TOS period.
The original Variety article stated: 'will center on the early days of
seminal "Trek" characters James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock, including their first
meeting at Starfleet Academy and first outer space mission.'. Although
Abrams subsequently stated the Variety report was 'not entirely accurate' he
also stated that 'Kirk and Spock could live again'.

What is the plot?/What is it about?
Unknown (definitively). Again, although nothing is confirmed, but most
reliable reports indicate an 'origin story' for Kirk and Spock.
The writers have stated that they want to 'fill in a gap' in Star Trek
history with old and new characters and that they want to explore the
'origins of the Original Series'

Will it fit with Star Trek History?
Yes, Star Trek XI will not be a 'reboot' of canon. Abrams has said
that he will be 'respectful' of the fans and Trek History. The writers have
been more explicit saying they see no need to 'reinvent everything'.

Does 'Trek canon' allow for Kirk and Spock meeting before the Original
Series?

It is possible. There is nothing in established canon (ie: any of the Trek
series of films) that definitively states when Kirk and Spock met. Therefore
it is open to the new writers to establish new canon

How much is known about Kirk and Spock before the Original Series?
A few tidbits (such as Kirk's solution to the Kobiashi Maru at the Academy
or his being a Lieutenant on the USS Farragut) , but there are 14 years to
cover from the Academy to Kirk's promotion to captain. There are large gaps
where there is nothing known (including the 7 years immediately prior to the
Original Series and its '5 year mission'). These gaps give the writers ample
opportunities to work with.

Is this the same Academy movie that Harve Bennet (Producer of the first
five Trek films) wanted to make for STVI?

Unlikely. Firstly it is unclear what role (if any) the Academy will have.
Secondly the writers and Abrams have stated that they have an entirely new
and unique idea for a film. Lastly Mr. Bennett has recently stated that he
hasn't heard from Paramount in years regarding his Academy script/idea.

Who has been cast? (I heard Actor X,Y,Z,etc has been cast)
There are no confirmed cast members (except possibly perennial Abrams cast
member Greg Grunberg). There have been many rumors. The only one with any
possible credibility was one stating Abrams was interested in Matt Damon as
Kirk (possibly indicating they are looking at an early 30s Kirk and not a
early 20s Kirk). This rumor originally stated that Abrams would be seeking
William Shatner's approval. Since then Shatner has stated that although he
thinks the idea is 'great' he hasn't heard anything from Abrams about
it.take it with a grain of salt.

Will Shatner, Nimoy or any previous Trek actors have any role?
Unknown




The Great Debate
For the following questions there are no definitive answers.but some
thoughts


Why now and why Abrams?
Although it has seen better days, Star Trek is one of the longest running
franchises and has been very profitable for Paramount. Trek fits into Brad
Grey's new strategy of bringing 'big tentpole events' into the Paramount
lineup using their franchises (they have recently shelved two films in
development in favor of bringing back known franchises: Star Trek and the
Jack Ryan series). Another factor may be that JJ Abrams wanted to do a Trek
movie and Paramount very much wanted (and got) JJ Abrams to sign on to a
long-term production deal. Its doubtful a Trek film would be in production
if it weren't for Abrams, and he wants it to be his next film so it appears
he thinks the world is ready. Paramount did say that the franchise would
return even after the failure of 2002's Star Trek Nemesis and the
cancellation of Enterprise in 2005. Paramount talked about 'franchise
fatigue' while others faulted the projects themselves.most likely it was a
bit of both. Only time will tell if the 'fatigue' will be over by 2008, but
a new team and new actors will make it clear to the movie going public that
this is a New (and hopefully improved) Star Trek.

Why a TOS prequel?
It is unclear why (if the rumors are true) a prequel was chosen over other
proposals (Romulan War, another TNG, etc) , but the most likely explanation
is that this is the story that Abrams wants to tell. Clearly Paramount had
lost faith in Rick Berman and the rest of the Trek team (and possibly casts)
and they seem to have quite a lot of faith in Abrams. In addition Abram's
deal with Paramount gives him an unprecedented amount of creative control,
including final cut. Even though it may be Abrams idea, Paramount probably
see it as a 'get back to basics' origin story along the lines of Warner's
Batman Begins and MGM's Bond 'restart'Casino Royale. And of
course there is the precedent of the StarWars prequels which made tons of
cash for Fox.let us not forget that it was the success of Star Wars in 70s
that got Paramount thinking about bringing Trek back as a film franchise
(resulting in 1979's Star Trek: The Motion Picture). It appears that
Paramount aren't concerned about the failure of the latest Trek TV series
(and prequel) 'Enterprise'. It may be that they feel that TV and film
audiences are different or perhaps that ST:XI will be a 'true prequel' to
the iconic characters of the Original Series and therefore have more
resonance. The TOS characters to this day are probably the best known and
most iconic of any of the Trek shows.

Will people accept new actors as Kirk and Spock?
This of course is a big unknown. It is clear from the reaction from some
fans that many are unwilling to accept new actors in the Shatner and Nimoy
roles, but there are also many fans that appear to welcome it. So for the
fans the answer is.some will and some wont. But of course the core fanbase
are just part of the target audience and most likely secondary to the
mainstream movie public. There are dozens of examples of successful recast
characters on both TV and film as well as between TV to film (from Darren on
Bewitched, to the many 'Bonds' and 'Jack Ryans' to Obi Wan Kenobi). So the
question is really..is there something unique about Star Trek that makes it
different? It would appear that Abrams and Paramount feel Star Trek is just
like other franchises that have prospered after recasting. Much of course
will depend on who is eventually cast and their final performances



Star Trek XI FAQ Sources and Links:

Original Variety Article about a New Trek Film
Star Trek.com confirmation of Trek XI and Rick Berman's not being involved
Abrams discusses Variety leak and Kirk and Spock characters
Abrams discusses respect for Trek fans
Writers Orci and Kurtzman talk about respecting Trek Continuity
Insider reporting on Damon/Kirk rumor
Variety on announcement of Abrams multiyear deal including Trek XI as first film


IMDB page for Trek XI
Memory Alpha Entry on Kirk's Early (preTOS) history, ( Spock's entry )
Wiki Page on Trek XI
Memory Alpha Page on Trek XI
Star Trek Film Franchise Box Office Numbers
Star Trek XI: The Blog (my Trek XI blog plug)


as new information comes to light I will endeavor to update this FAQ.
Please make any comments that are relevent to help.
 
An excellent FAQ. Might I point out that the <a href="en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star Trek XI" target="_blank">Star Trek XI Wikipedia article</a> also has an exhaustive accounting of sources and information?

The fact that I edit said article on a regular basis has absolutely nothing to do with my pointing this out. Absolutely. Nothing.

Seriously, good FAQ, PWT.
 
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thanks...I just checked the wiki page..not sure if I missed anything important, but let me know. I added that page to the faq.

The recent 'what i know about trek xi' and yet another petition thread inspired me to make this.

if deemed worthy perhaps it can be made a sticky
 
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I think it deserves a Sticky. Some good links in there

Stick it up there, mods. :D
 
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despite of those answers, most of the complaints listed are pretty legitimate concerns

I mean, to make it fair, why not list some of the reasons why another star trek prequel might not work, or why fans might not accept new actors as kirk/spock.. ect
 
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Nice FAQ, a bit on the 'glass is half full' side. I'm still looking at the established track record since FC, and am very skeptical. I do wonder whether things can be done which will fit into established canon, etc, and hope that the new stories won't make those nitpicky details necessary.

One thing, I find Kirstie Alley to be the REAL Saavik, as good as her successor was. Even more so, I can't see anyone but William Shatner as Kirk and Leonard Nimoy as Spock...but the door is open a crack...

And lastly, I do believe that although Trekdom is very diverse, there can still be a general consensus--such as the general consensus that NEM was not a good film, and the various problems with the recent shows.
 
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PowderedToastMan, Is that Ben Affleck (sp?) as Mr. Spock? Now that would be funny if they casted Kirk and Spock like that.:lol:
 
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Thank you all who think this should be stickied...that is up to the mods.

timelord1010 said:
PowderedToastMan, Is that Ben Affleck (sp?) as Mr. Spock? Now that would be funny if they casted Kirk and Spock like that.:lol:

actually it is Juaqin Phoenix as Spock...a serious choice I think could work. Maybe I mock up an Afleck just for fun later just for you ;)

Beyerstein said:
despite of those answers, most of the complaints listed are pretty legitimate concerns

I mean, to make it fair, why not list some of the reasons why another star trek prequel might not work, or why fans might not accept new actors as kirk/spock.. ect
I believe I have done that by stating what is clearly true..that Trek fans are not united on this issue. It would not be 'fair' to say 'fans wont accept Kirk'...at best you can say 'some fans may not'...which I believe the FAQ does state...and of course makes the point (which cannot be argued) that there are not enough fans for a mass market movie


WalkinBomb said:
Nice FAQ, a bit on the 'glass is half full' side. I'm still looking at the established track record since FC, and am very skeptical. I do wonder whether things can be done which will fit into established canon, etc, and hope that the new stories won't make those nitpicky details necessary.

One thing, I find Kirstie Alley to be the REAL Saavik, as good as her successor was. Even more so, I can't see anyone but William Shatner as Kirk and Leonard Nimoy as Spock...but the door is open a crack...

And lastly, I do believe that although Trekdom is very diverse, there can still be a general consensus--such as the general consensus that NEM was not a good film, and the various problems with the recent shows.
well I did not imply there were no risks and that the film is guaranteeed a success. As stated there are some fans who may have issues and many fans who wont...but 'fans' are only a small part of the target market. And on the point of Nemesis being 'universally' hated...there are many fans that liked it. I kinda liked it...I liked it more thant V and INS. Which is the point...after 10 films and 5 shows you dont have a single unified Trek fandom like you do with say Firefly/Serenity or even Star Wars (which itself is even fractured). I remember when the Jenderson/Romulan War film was being discussed....again many Trekkies claimed it was a horrible idea...others were open. The same is true of the Logan/Spiner Nemesis Sequel 'anthoology movie'. There is no consensus amongst fans...which is what the FAQ states. The point I was trying make is mostly regards to Trek XI...anyone who says 'fans want x' is just wrong.




All that being said I can try and get some more 'balance' into the 'complaints' section if this is sticked and given a chance to edit (there is an edit timelimit). Otherwise I will wait until version 1.1 when more info comes to light. What I wanted to do primarily is the first section to help new people coming to the forum and wondering what is what. The compaints was trying to 'prebut' some of the common issues to show there are no clear answers.
 
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timelord1010 said:
PowderedToastMan, Is that Ben Affleck (sp?) as Mr. Spock? Now that would be funny if they casted Kirk and Spock like that.:lol:

That would really get the slash ficcers working overtime. :lol:

Personally I'd like to see Matt & Joaquin in the roles, if the roles are going to big-name stars. For no-names, I have other favorites...
 
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Beyerstein said:
despite of those answers, most of the complaints listed are pretty legitimate concerns

I mean, to make it fair, why not list some of the reasons why another star trek prequel might not work, or why fans might not accept new actors as kirk/spock.. ect

If there's an official FAQ, it should stick to objective facts (what has or has not been reported by a reliable source) and let the complaints serve as topics for other threads, which will happen in any case.
 
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well I have asked Reaperman if I can modify this one or create a modified new one for a sticky.

I agree that perhaps the subjective stuff can be left out...but some of the 'common complaints' are not subjective and could be in the final (eg: 'Did Kirk and Spock meet before the academy' and 'is this the same film as Harve Bennet's Academy idea' and perhaps the 'hasnt that period been covered'). I will see what they say.

If I dont hear anything I will just put up another faq when it seems the right time
 
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Frackin' brill FAQ PTM, nice work. :)

A couple of nit-picks (oh, this IS a trekkie site!)...

PowderedToastMan said:
Star Trek XI FAQ 1.0
Starfleet Academy is military academy and is for adults and not a high school.

I think it is, actually, a high school. With guns.

The last event in Kirk’s life that is known takes place 7 years earlier (an attack and loss of half the crew and the captain of the USS Farragut where Kirk was a young Liutentent). This gap may be the period where the film is set.

Ok, maybe I've been drinking at the cottage a little too much, but wasn't that 11 years?
 
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Plum said:

Frackin' brill FAQ PTM, nice work. :)

A couple of nit-picks (oh, this IS a trekkie site!)...

PowderedToastMan said:
Star Trek XI FAQ 1.0
Starfleet Academy is military academy and is for adults and not a high school.

I think it is, actually, a high school. With guns.

The last event in Kirk’s life that is known takes place 7 years earlier (an attack and loss of half the crew and the captain of the USS Farragut where Kirk was a young Liutentent). This gap may be the period where the film is set.

Ok, maybe I've been drinking at the cottage a little too much, but wasn't that 11 years?

thanks for your comments

RE: 7 years
see my link above...there are 7 years between the attack on the Farragut and Kirk being promoted to Captain

RE: SA as HS
well there is no indication anywhere in Trek history that this is the case. One would assume the template is the Naval Academy which is for adults...and in every episode where the Academy is depicted it has shown adult actors. And mainly I was making the point that those who refer to STXI as 90210 in space are just using that pejoritive and evoking a HS soap opera as an unwarented attack. As has been pointed out...the academy is probably only part of the film if in it at all. It is for the military and produces officers not whiny Beverly Hills socialites. The most apt analogy would possibly be "top gun in space' but I personally think the Academy will have little to no role in STXI and all the talk about the Academy is much ado about nothing
 
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Well, 7 years to Captain? Ok. I'm just going by the dialog from "Obsession". Sure, Kirk was already years into being a captian then... I thought, though, there's only specualtion as to exactly when Kirk ranked Captain. Wasn't it even suggested he only had the rank of commander in WNMHGB? Am I being a prig?

... yea but, Wesley was a teen, right? I understand the "top gun" reference, but I think it's off, the "Horatio Hornblower" air of trek always had kids on board (think Master and Commander). Even kirks ship had 16 year olds (Charlie X) serving. I gotta think that, as portrayed, starfleet academy was more a navel academy with young kids serving on ships from time to time as well as their regular studies.

Yea, I was drinking at the cottage. :D
 
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PowderedToastMan said:
Screenplay: Abrams with Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman (Kurtzman and Orci also written Paramount’s 2007 Transformers film)

It's nice to see Abrams honor the early TOS tradition of employing elite prose science fiction writers to pen Star Trek XI. :devil:
 
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Good topic, PTM.

I've been asked to sticky this and I see no reason why I shouldnt do just that.
 
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There needs to be just one minor modification...

Star Trek XI FAQ 1.1

Will the new movie suck?

If you look at it from a statistical stand point, there were only four Star Trek films out of ten produced that were generally considered by critics and fans to be any good (i.e. WOK, TVH, TUC & FC). That's only a 40% positive rating, which means that more Star Trek films have sucked than have not.

Considering the difficulty the film industry as a whole has had in producing quality films of late, not to mention that Paramount Pictures hasn't had a bona fide hit in years, in all likelihood the next Star Trek film will continue to reflect the current trends in both the franchise and the film industry in general and, therefore, suck giant hairy monkey balls.

:borg:
 
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Very thorough and well thought out, PTM.

And ZZYFRX, this is getting tiresome. You don't have to watch it. But then, as the FAQ pointed out, you are among the "fans" whose opinion doesnt matter anymore.
 
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