Star Trek vs Star Wars (Ultimate Nerd Showdown)

[-Brett-]

I'm sorry to have to be the one to say it but it looks as though STAR WARS won.
Let's face it, the last film proves that inorder for STAR TREK to attract new (read modern & dumber) fans, it had to become very STAR WARS at it's core. What JJ did well with the new film was to take the cliches of STAR TREK that the general (non Trekkie) public knows; Kirk is brash, Spock is cool and logical, Scotty saves the ship, the ENTERPRISE, primary color uniforms, transporters, "captain's log" etc...and place that veneer of STAR TREK over what was a very thin STAR WARS framework.

The success of STAR TREK (2009) is really the death knell of "real science fiction" STAR TREK, and the true victory of George Lucas' damn "science fantasy" STAR WARS. God, I hate George Lucas!!! He's now managed to directly or in-directly ruin THREE franchises that I loved.

John

Not singling you out in particular, but the funny part about this sentiment in general is that XI was truer to the original Star Trek than anything since 1969.

You think always "losing" their phasers and going at it hand-to-hand was a stylistic choice? Hell no! If they'd had the budget for it, there would have been phaser fights and space battles almost every week.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I'm not so sure. JJ and co. blew off the stigma that modern Trek had built up with one advertising campaign and an enjoyable movie. As long as Rick Berman and friends are kept away (an entirely fresh perspective on weekly Trek is required), a new Trek TV series (assuming it's good) has a chance to succeed. Not a huge one, admittedly, but a chance nonetheless.

Obviously wouldn't be smart to risk while Trek movies are doing well. Maybe in a few years, after the 13th movie or whatever.

I think what people look for in movies and what they look for in TV shows are too different. Plus, they are industries with different business models. Spectacular space opera just synchs up better with movies than TV.

Space opera on TV seems to be going the cheap route, to avoid budgets that run beyond the ratings they can expect: animation (The Clone Wars) or live action with cheap SFX (Blood & Chrome).

I just realized..."Star Wars: The Clone Wars" and "Star Trek: Nemesis" are sort of counterparts.

Just for the record, I'm talking about The Clone Wars TV series. I've never seen the movie - been warned away from it quite sufficiently.

If I was in the Star Wars universe, I'd just be another alien peasant on an alien planet being oppressed by the empire and there would be nothing I could do about it.

If you can be whoever you want (and who's to stop you), you can be a Jedi in the Star Wars universe. Of course, that contains its own host of problems. The Jedi look like they have pretty miserable lives, what with those idiotic and draconian rules against having any semblance of a personal life.

You could always take the Sith option, but they always act so self-defeatingly stupid. Total selfishness is not actually an effective way to live your life, even if all you want is power and goodies. Also, Jedi and Sith hardly ever seem to have sex. What's up with that? (I mean in general, not with each other.)