star trek vs star wars in five minutes question

[Gerbil13]

Constructive critisms please and feedback on your thoughts about this.
Being science Fiction the who would win would be determined by the story ,directors and writers regardless of any technology.
For things like Tech Manuels giving scientific numbers like power outputs these are irrelevant when comparing different TV shows as the science are different even if using the same unit of measurement.
For instance if you think of two hovercars from each sci fi franchise both can reach 100mph however star trek says it takes 100bhp and star wars says it takes 200bhp to go that fast then when you compare the two you would assume the star wars car can travel twice as fast as the star trek car because it has twice the power. Dispite the numbers being official they should only be used to compare vehicles from there own universes.
Point2
The empire would clearly win as it has massive military and is a huge threat to the UFP,but thats why its will also lose. Star trek films are made for the enterprise to go against overwhelming odds like saving earth by going back in time without a time machine to bring back extinct whales. If the protagonist is starfleet then the empire will lose again by inferior forces because star trek is about hope and optimism.

 

[1001001]

Welcome to the board.

Since this topic covers more than Star Trek, it's really more appropriate for the SFF Forum.

 

[T'Girl]

Of course to beat the empire it not actually necessary to defeat the empire's military. It's a dictatorship with a single individual at the top. Kill or capture the federation's president and the federation goes on quite nicely, not a hiccup. Do the same to the empire and the whole thing comes to a halt. The republic is re-established and there is peace with the federation.

The federation would be assisted by the rebellion and whatever Jedi are alive at that time period.

The empire would not dare to throw it's entire military might against the federation because it has to maintain control over it's own people.

The federation has experience fighting clones during the dominion war and let's face it, compared to the jem'hadar the imperial storm troopers are pathetic.

Visual evidence suggest that imperial ftl travel is blind, starfleet would have the advantage of being able to attack in that realm without any counterattack. Even taking into account the imperial vessel obvious superior speed, starfleet comes out ahead.

Starfleet vessel's shields can not be penetrated with laser energy.

 

[Robbiesan]

There actually is a mod for GalCiv2 Twilight of the Arnor which is called Star Trek vs, Star Wars. Within that strategy game mod, you play as any number of races within the Star Trek universe, or you can choose to play factions within the Star Wars universe. It features tech for both universes as well as ships.
http://forums.galciv2.com/448534

If you're looking for a serious question about this, I don't think you've framed the question properly yet.

From a cinematic perspective, George Lucas probably never intended for that kind of question when he began the franchise. Star Wars is based upon Japanese chambara films (samurai films) of the 1940s-1970s, and that's why Darth Vader has armor of a futuristic samurai style. The Force is nothing more that Ki, a Japanese name for the original Chinese concept of Chi.
http://www.aikidofaq.com/philosophy/

In essence Star Wars IV is The Hidden Fortess by Akira Kurosawa.

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The ships are derived from WW1 planes and their movements within an atmoshere. The overall genre based upon serialized films of the 1930s and beyond.

There is precious little science within the Star Wars universe, and so it's hard to have a framework in which to discuss such things in any logical discussion, much less a debate.

 

[BigJake]

There is precious little science within the Star Wars universe, and so it's hard to have a framework in which to discuss such things in any logical discussion, much less a debate.

To be fair, you could probably manage it with NuTrek, which deliberately imitates the scientific literacy levels of the 1930s serials.

On the one hand this should be a no-contest, because between "red matter," "transwarp beaming" and Khan's blood, the NuTrek Federation has planet-smashing technology, the ability to instantly teleport across the galaxy, and functional immortality. OTOH its penchant for totally illogical behavior would make the contest a lot closer than it ought to be.

 

[Robbiesan]

There is precious little science within the Star Wars universe, and so it's hard to have a framework in which to discuss such things in any logical discussion, much less a debate.

To be fair, you could probably manage it with NuTrek, which deliberately imitates the scientific literacy levels of the 1930s serials.

On the one hand this should be a no-contest, because between "red matter," "transwarp beaming" and Khan's blood, the NuTrek Federation has planet-smashing technology, the ability to instantly teleport across the galaxy, and functional immortality. OTOH its penchant for totally illogical behavior would make the contest a lot closer than it ought to be.

Wow, what a witty slam!

 

[BigJake]

There is precious little science within the Star Wars universe, and so it's hard to have a framework in which to discuss such things in any logical discussion, much less a debate.

To be fair, you could probably manage it with NuTrek, which deliberately imitates the scientific literacy levels of the 1930s serials.

On the one hand this should be a no-contest, because between "red matter," "transwarp beaming" and Khan's blood, the NuTrek Federation has planet-smashing technology, the ability to instantly teleport across the galaxy, and functional immortality. OTOH its penchant for totally illogical behavior would make the contest a lot closer than it ought to be.

Wow, what a witty slam!

Actually I was being totally in earnest. This is a witty slam:

 

[Greylock Crescent]

On the one hand this should be a no-contest, because ... NuTrek Federation has planet-smashing technology

Don't be too proud of this technological terror [they've] constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of The Force.

(Somebody had to say it. )



ETA:
Wait, unless you're saying Khan's blood is special because it contains ... midichlorians ...

 

[T'Girl]

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of The Force.

The power of the force is nothing next to being dropped into a deep pit.

Remember how Riker killed the Reman Viceroy?

 

[BigJake]

Wait, unless you're saying Khan's blood is special because it contains ... midichlorians ...

Darth Khan... now there's a thought!

 

[Hound of UIster]

The Empire at its height had several times the resources and territory of the Federation. Just for the UFP to get to these place would be a problem never mind conquering and occupying them.

 

[DarthTom]

The empire would clearly win as it has massive military and is a huge threat to the UFP,but thats why its will also lose. Star trek films are made for the enterprise to go against overwhelming odds like saving earth by going back in time without a time machine to bring back extinct whales. If the protagonist is starfleet then the empire will lose again by inferior forces because star trek is about hope and optimism.

The Empire would win because they would be willing to use end-game tactics and the Federation people are pussies in comparison.

The Empire would park either a Superdestoryer or the DeathStar itself next the moon - threaten to destory it - do so anyway as a show of force - demanding that the UFP immediately surrender. And then they would.

Despite any technological differences between the two universes - that the Empire is willing to take any measures to win, means they would whereas the Federation would be hampered by its morality.

A real world comparison would be if the United States threatened to nuke any state that killed even one of our soliders and followed through on that threat would mean we'd win.

 

[T'Girl]

A real world comparison would be if the United States threatened to nuke any state that killed even one of our soliders and followed through on that threat would mean we'd win.

Given that we're currently fight folks who willingly and routinely kill themselves in their attack upon both us and their own countrymen ... what are you talking about?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

On the one hand this should be a no-contest, because ... NuTrek Federation has planet-smashing technology

Don't be too proud of this technological terror [they've] constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of The Force.

Yeah, those Jedi and Sith guys were always playing up what badasses they are (midichlorians also give one the power of shameless self-promotion), but you get them into the middle of an arena surrounded by armed roaches and stupid robots and they die just as easy as anyone else.

 

[cooleddie74]

When Jar Jar Binks can take down as many Battle Droids with crude aquatic weaponry and his own inherent clumsiness as a fully trained Jedi Knight armed with the best weapon his or her Order has to offer it does kinda make one wonder just how much of the Jedi mythos built up over the centuries was just pretty damn good P.R., much like how J. Edgar Hoover portrayed the FBI as almost indestructible warriors for law and justice while whitewashing the weaknesses and failings.

Of course it didn't help that the Jedi tended to fall hook, line and sinker for their own publicity.

 

[Robbiesan]

I've yet to see how the Empire could do much of anything compared to the many fleets of ships within the Star Trek universe. They have scout ships and battleships with precious little else displayed within the films. It's rather an abbreviated form of space combat.

Taking the words of ancient Asian martial arts philosophy and having it uttered by a rubber gargoyle and then poorly explaining it, and demonstrating bizarre acrobatics while doing it, well that doesn't endear many traditional martial artists to the Star Wars franchise.

Maybe Star Wars should have been named Star Drek because it frequently is rubbish, lacking any semblance of science, resorts to entertainment aimed at children, without providing anything intellectually stimulating for their parents dragged along.

But now it's become part of American culture, firmly embedded in an iconic way, and there's no getting away from it.

There's no comparison to Star Trek which while having action elements, often dealt with serious social issues, could be extremely cerebral, while also being commercially successful.

So Star Wars might win the entertainment battle since more action figures were made and sold by adoring fans, but not the intellectual battle for attention.

 

[cooleddie74]

Maybe Star Wars should have been named Star Drek because it frequently is rubbish, lacking any semblance of science

As much as I think the vast majority of posters here like or even adore Star Trek, the Roddenberry/Berman/Abrams universe and timelines don't exactly have a very tight stranglehold on the concept of believable science, neither. Dark, rogue planets without a sun yet are covered in lush jungles and lower lifeforms? Transporters? Aliens that routinely breathe oxygen, look human and speak English of one accent or another?

Star Wars doesn't try to be science. It tries to be fantasy and adventure with political intrigue and war thrown in for good measure, and a morality tale aimed at audiences of all ages, even when it falls short.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Taking the words of ancient Asian martial arts philosophy and having it uttered by a rubber gargoyle and then poorly explaining it, and demonstrating bizarre acrobatics while doing it, well that doesn't endear many traditional martial artists to the Star Wars franchise.

That devastating schism from the traditional martial arts community is probably why Lucas couldn't secure the always lucrative martial arts rights he was so desperate to obtain, and had to settle for just the lousy exclusive merchandising rights instead. Lucas could have made billions like famous martial arts movie star Jeff Speakman if only he hadn't squandered it all on selling toys and games and cereal and clothes.

Maybe Star Wars should have been named Star Drek because it frequently is rubbish, lacking any semblance of science, resorts to entertainment aimed at children, without providing anything intellectually stimulating for their parents dragged along.

True. The Genesis Device, Red Matter, Trilithium, and the countless other similar completely realistic devices and technologies of Star Trek blinded me with SCIENCE in ways Star Wars never did. And Star Trek would never make basic distance errors like the whole Star Wars parsec SNAFU and have a starship travel to the center of the galaxy in the time it takes Scotty to finish his lunch or anything.

 

[cooleddie74]

Trek got a lot of people involved in the sciences, but the franchise itself often has about as much to do with science as Franken Berry has to do with artificial reanimation of the recently deceased.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Trek got a lot of people involved in the sciences, but the franchise itself often has about as much to do with science as Franken Berry has to do with artificial reanimation of the recently deceased.

But I think it goes without saying that Boo Berry is 100% indisputable proof that we are all destined to spend the afterlife enduring a horrifying limbo as a cereal mascot, required to indefinitely remain stationary on store shelves until you're unceremoniously tossed into a rolling metal cage, and then forced to watch as your innards are devoured by voracious youngsters who then toss you in the trash and send you to be recycled, starting the whole hellish process over again. That's just science.