Connery had his own style.
[Cue music.] Bok. Sy Bok.
[Cue music.] Bok. Sy Bok.
Star Trek V - What does God need with a starship?
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That was actually a nod to the original series. I believe it was one of McCoy's first jokes. It might well have been The Corbomnite Maneover IIRC.
Yes ST:V had some bad dialogue, ST:TMP had some long boring scenes, but they were good stories in their own right.
ST:XI on the other hand, had huge plot holes and was inconsistent with what we had previously seen before on Trek. It also suffered from awkward dialogue and badly written villains. 'Hi, Christopher'. Andreas Katsulas would be rolling in his grave at Eric Bana's Nero.
It's an Alternate Reality, how can it conform to what was seen previously on Trek if there was a 25 alteration to everything already established? God, I fear what would have happened if they forewent the AU and decided to just completely start from scratch.
And huge plotholes? Awkward dialogue? I think " Hi, Christopher " is up there with, or probably not as bad as STV's " I know this ship like the back of my hand *DONK* ". If I needed corny dialogue or humor at a character's expense, I'd take shoving Scotty in a water filtration system than having him hit his head against railing that he should have known was there.
And huge plotholes? Awkward dialogue? I think " Hi, Christopher " is up there with, or probably not as bad as STV's " I know this ship like the back of my hand *DONK* ". If I needed corny dialogue or humor at a character's expense, I'd take shoving Scotty in a water filtration system than having him hit his head against railing that he should have known was there.
"I know this ship like the back of my hand *DONK*" was a bad joke. However, it was a normal thing for Scotty to say, followed by an ironic accident. Not great, but not out of character.
"Hi, Christoper" in that school boy-mock tone, was not what I expected a Romulan to say. They tried to make the Romulans something they were not.
I'm not saying you can't enjoy the film because of this, I certainly enjoyed it as an action movie, but in the Star Trek context, alot of it didn't make sense to me.
"Hi, Christoper" in that school boy-mock tone, was not what I expected a Romulan to say. They tried to make the Romulans something they were not.
I'm not saying you can't enjoy the film because of this, I certainly enjoyed it as an action movie, but in the Star Trek context, alot of it didn't make sense to me.
So, you'll take a really stupid fucking gag like Simon "Not Scotty in a Million Years" Pegg going through pipes in a bad brewery set over a classic, and extremely natural human slip-up, joke? Interesting.
STV's bit with Scotty is funny. It's funny because it happens to people. Everyone bonks their head or stubs their toe or hits their shoulder on the door frame, etc, etc, from time to time in life. Getting sucked through pipes in breweries is what I'd expect from the Simpsons.
I actually never had a problem with that gag. In fact the first time I watched it as a kid I found it so funny I had to stop the movie and run upstairs and reenact it for my parents.
Yes, some of the humor is forced, that I won't deny. But it works for me, I find it cute, and I probably don't mind it because I find plenty to like in the movie as a whole.
Yes, some of the humor is forced, that I won't deny. But it works for me, I find it cute, and I probably don't mind it because I find plenty to like in the movie as a whole.
The humor in both TFF and ST09 are often at the characters' expense.
Understandable. I just felt that the humor in the movie by making the characters screw up in things that they are experts in was just a cheap failtastic gag.
Yeah, because he didn't put himself in a large set brewery set. It was set up, " There could be a 4 meter margin of error " or something like that and bam it happens. It wasn't a cheap gag like Scotty knocking himself out. I just don't like cheap physical humor that I can go see in a movie like Meet the Spartans.
I think the bonk scene works better (or less poorly) than the brewery scene because the bonk scene is a quick throwaway joke that consumes a few seconds of screen time. The brewery scene is an extended slapstick sequence that just doesn't work, much like the painfully unfunny giant-hands-and-numb-tongue sequence.
As Josan says, one of the things working in favor of the scene is that it's at least somewhat grounded in common experience. I think it would have worked better if it had been even more grounded in common experience: instead of bonking his head and losing consciousness, he bonks his head and looks around nervously, hoping nobody saw it. That would be a moment we can all relate to.
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