Star Trek Uncharted...

[BillJ]

Well I'm talking about who owns the property, not the distribution rights.

CBS, but there are things in Star Trek movies that use trademarks established in the TV series so Paramount has a contract with CBS to get those rights. What we don't know for 100 percent is if the rights are doing the films in general, or just rights to certain trademarks of things used in the film (and thus merchandising). For the purpose this topic, TV series are all up to CBS .

But wouldn't his packaging say...

My Bluray for STID says © 2013 PARAMOUNT PICTURES ALL RIGHTS RESERVED STAR TREK and related marks and logos are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. and Paramount Pictures.

...if Paramount owned any part of the franchise?

The thing that still seems to make the most sense is that CBS owns the intellectual property and Paramount licenses it from them.

 

[BillJ]

I pulled out my TNG movie Blu-ray set which was released in 2009. It also lists CBS as trademark holder for Star Trek and related marks and logos.

 

[Tom]

I pulled out my TNG movie Blu-ray set which was released in 2009. It also lists CBS as trademark holder for Star Trek and related marks and logos.

Similar thinking with fan films. For example New Voyages owns all original footage they filmed, but anything that contains a trademark or Copyright from Star Trek can be claimed by CBS. So you end up both entities having ownership claims in the production. Bill I have always believed that Paramount is just licensed to do the films, I just can't prove it.

 

[BillJ]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture has the same notice on it as the TNG films. I think the copyright is that no one can sell or copy that particular material. The trademark indicates who owns the intellectual property.

http://www.marcaria.com/articles/trademark-and-other-intellectual-property-resource-guide.asp

Trademarks are distinctive indicators or signs that individuals, businesses, or other legal entities use. They use these indicators or signs to communicate that services or products to consumers that are connected to the trademarks stem from a unique source. Trademarks are also utilized to differentiate services or products from those of other legal entities. Trademarks are commonly designated by three, different symbols based on whether they are unregistered, registered, or simply unregistered service marks. If trademark infringement occurs, owners of a registered trademark have the option of filing a lawsuit to head off any unauthorized usage of his trademark. Commonly, trademarks can either be symbols, logos, names, phrases, words, images, designs, or even a mix of any of these elements.

 

[Michael_Hinman]

Well I'm talking about who owns the property, not the distribution rights.

There is no simple answer to that, because it comes down to distribution. In Hollywood, it always comes down to distribution.

 

[Phantom]

At the time of what? I think I might have missed something in this conversation.

At the time the rumor about Paramount getting back into the TV business.

There has been a report of Paramount restarting its television division post-corporate split.

http://www.1701news.com/node/350/paramount-television-gets-president-star-trek-next.html

Thank you. If memory serves correctly, that was one of the articles I remember. Furthere IIRC, there was a small piece in Variety with many of the same thoughts.

 

[Michael_Hinman]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture has the same notice on it as the TNG films. I think the copyright is that no one can sell or copy that particular material. The trademark indicates who owns the intellectual property.

http://www.marcaria.com/articles/trademark-and-other-intellectual-property-resource-guide.asp

Trademarks are distinctive indicators or signs that individuals, businesses, or other legal entities use. They use these indicators or signs to communicate that services or products to consumers that are connected to the trademarks stem from a unique source. Trademarks are also utilized to differentiate services or products from those of other legal entities. Trademarks are commonly designated by three, different symbols based on whether they are unregistered, registered, or simply unregistered service marks. If trademark infringement occurs, owners of a registered trademark have the option of filing a lawsuit to head off any unauthorized usage of his trademark. Commonly, trademarks can either be symbols, logos, names, phrases, words, images, designs, or even a mix of any of these elements.

I'm not an IP attorney, but I don't think you can say trademarks protect broad IP. It's very specific IP ... like the name of something.

For instance, NBC Universal has a trademark on Syfy as a name, but the content inside is not trademarked, rather it's copyrighted.

 

[Michael_Hinman]

I pulled out my TNG movie Blu-ray set which was released in 2009. It also lists CBS as trademark holder for Star Trek and related marks and logos.

If you want something pre-split, it would have to be 2005 or earlier.

 

[Phantom]

Take a look at the link provided above, from an industry publication. It states that the ONLY thing Paramount is licensing are the characters for merchandising purposes.

So while you might like to go with "everything I heard from insiders," I will go with a published report on a widely read industry website that was never challenged by CBS Corp. or Viacom. And you probably should, too.

Actually, the article you cite in fact says that the rights issues are not clear. It certainly does not say that Paramount only licensed the characters.

 

[Michael_Hinman]

Well I'm talking about who owns the property, not the distribution rights.

CBS, but there are things in Star Trek movies that use trademarks established in the TV series so Paramount has a contract with CBS to get those rights. What we don't know for 100 percent is if the rights are doing the films in general, or just rights to certain trademarks of things used in the film (and thus merchandising). For the purpose this topic, TV series are all up to CBS .

But wouldn't his packaging say...

My Bluray for STID says © 2013 PARAMOUNT PICTURES ALL RIGHTS RESERVED STAR TREK and related marks and logos are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. and Paramount Pictures.

...if Paramount owned any part of the franchise?

The thing that still seems to make the most sense is that CBS owns the intellectual property and Paramount licenses it from them.

Why would it say that? You already listed the copyright to Paramount in the opening part of that statement. The second part refers specifically to trademarks and logos ... meaning, the words "Star Trek" and how it's presented.

Remember, NuTrek uses the logo from the original "Star Trek" series ... and guess who has the right to that logo? CBS.

I am not sure why you would think Paramount would need to own the trademarks and logos, when those are just the name and how it appears.

 

[Michael_Hinman]

Take a look at the link provided above, from an industry publication. It states that the ONLY thing Paramount is licensing are the characters for merchandising purposes.

So while you might like to go with "everything I heard from insiders," I will go with a published report on a widely read industry website that was never challenged by CBS Corp. or Viacom. And you probably should, too.

Actually, the article you cite in fact says that the rights issues are not clear. It certainly does not say that Paramount only licensed the characters.

Here is the link again: http://www.thewrap.com/how-web-star-trek-rights-killed-jj-abrams-grand-ambitions-91766/

And just to quote from that story:

"A major stumbling block: "Star Trek's" licensing and merchandising rights are spread over two media conglomerates with competing goals. The rights to the original television series from the 1960s remained with CBS after it split off from Paramount’s corporate parent Viacom in 2006, while the studio retained the rights to the film series. CBS also held onto the ability to create future “Star Trek” TV shows.

"Paramount must license the “Star Trek” characters from CBS Consumer Products for film merchandising."

So not only does it make it clear who has rights to what, it also specifically states that "Paramount must license the Star Trek characters from CBS Consumer Products for film merchandising." And please note that my original statement was not that Paramount just licensed the characters, but that they licensed the characters for merchandising.

Anything else?

 

[Tom]

I wonder why in 9 years know one can get a clear definition of how the rights are laid out. You would think it would not be a big secret.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

I wonder why in 9 years know one can get a clear definition of how the rights are laid out. You would think it would not be a big secret.

Depends. There are similar questions that spawn similar arguments about who actually owns and/or distributes the original Star Wars film, whether it's Fox or Lucasfilm.

The 1977 film is the only one of all six to suffer from this...

 

[Timby]

There are similar questions that spawn similar arguments about who actually owns and/or distributes the original Star Wars film, whether it's Fox or Lucasfilm.

The 1977 film is the only one of all six to suffer from this...

But there's no question about that. Fox owns the distribution rights to the original Star Wars in perpetuity -- Lucas had to make that deal in order to get the financing to finish the movie -- and the other five films until 2020.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

That's the basic understanding but you should tell some of the folks on Blu-ray.com about that...

 

[Michael_Hinman]

I wonder why in 9 years know one can get a clear definition of how the rights are laid out. You would think it would not be a big secret.

Because there was probably never a need to.

I mean, Paramount and CBS might know what they have worked out -- but whether they have shared that with the public, well, that's a whole different story.

 

[BillJ]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture has the same notice on it as the TNG films. I think the copyright is that no one can sell or copy that particular material. The trademark indicates who owns the intellectual property.

http://www.marcaria.com/articles/trademark-and-other-intellectual-property-resource-guide.asp

Trademarks are distinctive indicators or signs that individuals, businesses, or other legal entities use. They use these indicators or signs to communicate that services or products to consumers that are connected to the trademarks stem from a unique source. Trademarks are also utilized to differentiate services or products from those of other legal entities. Trademarks are commonly designated by three, different symbols based on whether they are unregistered, registered, or simply unregistered service marks. If trademark infringement occurs, owners of a registered trademark have the option of filing a lawsuit to head off any unauthorized usage of his trademark. Commonly, trademarks can either be symbols, logos, names, phrases, words, images, designs, or even a mix of any of these elements.

I'm not an IP attorney, but I don't think you can say trademarks protect broad IP. It's very specific IP ... like the name of something.

For instance, NBC Universal has a trademark on Syfy as a name, but the content inside is not trademarked, rather it's copyrighted.

Commonly, trademarks can either be symbols, logos, names, phrases, words, images, designs, or even a mix of any of these elements.

My Deep Space Nine season four DVD's lists Paramount as the trademark and copyright holder. It is from 2003.

 

[Michael_Hinman]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture has the same notice on it as the TNG films. I think the copyright is that no one can sell or copy that particular material. The trademark indicates who owns the intellectual property.

http://www.marcaria.com/articles/trademark-and-other-intellectual-property-resource-guide.asp

I'm not an IP attorney, but I don't think you can say trademarks protect broad IP. It's very specific IP ... like the name of something.

For instance, NBC Universal has a trademark on Syfy as a name, but the content inside is not trademarked, rather it's copyrighted.

Commonly, trademarks can either be symbols, logos, names, phrases, words, images, designs, or even a mix of any of these elements.

My Deep Space Nine season four DVD's lists Paramount as the trademark and copyright holder. It is from 2003.

I am not sure if you are just reinforcing what I am saying, or what it is you're doing ... so I am just going to assume these are messages supporting my statements.

 

[BillJ]

I'm not an IP attorney, but I don't think you can say trademarks protect broad IP. It's very specific IP ... like the name of something.

For instance, NBC Universal has a trademark on Syfy as a name, but the content inside is not trademarked, rather it's copyrighted.

Commonly, trademarks can either be symbols, logos, names, phrases, words, images, designs, or even a mix of any of these elements.

My Deep Space Nine season four DVD's lists Paramount as the trademark and copyright holder. It is from 2003.

I am not sure if you are just reinforcing what I am saying, or what it is you're doing ... so I am just going to assume these are messages supporting my statements.

My position is that CBS owns "Star Trek". It doesn't make sense any other way. You can't have two owners of Captain Kirk. Heck, Paramount could do a buddy comedy with Jack Black and Will Ferrell as Kirk and Spock and devalue the brand if they owned a piece of it. They could wring every last dollar possible out of the franchise in "unorthodox" ways and CBS couldn't do anything about it. Or vice-versa.

Someone ultimately has to be in control of the IP. That someone, from everything I understand, is CBS.

Fan film makers don't work with Paramount and CBS, they work with CBS.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The actual disc for STID reads Motion Picture: © 2013 PARAMOUNT PICTURES ALL RIGHTS RESERVED TM ® & Copyright © 2013 PARAMOUNT PICTURES ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. STAR TREK and related marks and logos are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

To me that means CBS owns Star Trek. The characters, the concepts, the names, the images and the kitchen sink. Even characters created in a film are CBS property. What Paramount seems to have are the rights to the film as a singular product.