Star Trek TWOK Blue Ray oddity

[Maurice]

JJTREK in pidgeon English talk to Bill George, in the vein of Lennie in OF MICE & MEN:

Tell me about the flying trucks landing on the rabbits, George ...

Can you even see the truck in the movie, George? For how many frames does it show up, George?

 

[Maurice]

Two pix from yesterday.

^^^This. Is. AMAZING.​

 

[dub]

another example:

blue ray

Finally saw the HD version today on SyFy. Ick. I definitely see what you mean.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I saw TWOK about two years ago in Manhattan in a midnight showing at a revival house. A true 35mm print, scratches and all. The audience of Trekkies actually cheered when the battered print started running. As far as color and brightness, it backs up the print used for the earlier video releases. Yes, Regula I was brown, not blue. I specifically looked for it. I was not imaging it. This was no cheap 16mm stock, there was no discoloration. The Blu-Ray has been altered as posted here.

I know this answers a post from a few months ago, but meh, there ya go. Okey doke? Thanks.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Even on my wide\screen TV, the director's cut DVD looks fine. I like how it looks. And since it is an older film, maybe not having it be super-sharp like how new films are shot is part of it.

Film is super sharp, no matter how old it is. The resolution of TWOK in 1982 was greater than modern HDTV is capable of showing. Feature films before the 2000s weren't shown on giant movie screens at 480i.

I do agree the blue tint is crap, though.

 

[Lance]

What resolution do modern HD cameras shoot at? Do they shoot at a comparable resolution to film, or do they limit themselves to the maximum resolution of what they can be screened at?

 

[USS KG5]

What resolution do modern HD cameras shoot at? Do they shoot at a comparable resolution to film, or do they limit themselves to the maximum resolution of what they can be screened at?

I believe the modern cameras top out at around 6k - far higher resolution than will ever be needed for typical home viewing. 4K TVs are a staggeringly unnecessary introduction for anything less than huge screens.

A lot of earlier digital films were shot at 2k - so with Blu Ray you are already seeing them the best they will ever look.

For older films, like TWOK, in theory you have unlimited resolution on film, in reality however, Blu Ray is as good as a lot of films will ever look. There is unlikely to be a 4K mainstream physical format, but I guess we might see some old films re-scanned at 4k for streaming in a few years time.

 

[Richard Baker]

Unlimited Resolution-
If scanning from film stock would not the grain in the film become a factor?

 

[SpHeRe31459]

Unlimited Resolution-
If scanning from film stock would not the grain in the film become a factor?

I think that's one issue yes.

The current conventional wisdom is that somewhere between a 4k and an 8k scan (depending on the film stock, etc.) is sufficient to capture the information.

 

[USS KG5]

The current conventional wisdom is that somewhere between a 4k and an 8k scan (depending on the film stock, etc.) is sufficient to capture the information.

I think a lot of Blu Rays on the market are 2k scans originally done for DVD masters, and there is an air of "that'll do" about them.

Other old films (Jaws, Dr No) have been restored to the extent they sometimes look like they were shot yesterday.

Sadly, we will never get the above treatment for the old Trek movies, though if Blu 4K does come along we might get the new ones.

 

[Smellmet]

The original Total Recall is a perfect example of this, looks like a new film shot using late 80's/early 90's props & effects. It's kinda weird but doesn't stop me enjoying the film still

"Relax- you'll live longer"

 

[USS KG5]

It is amazing the quality possible from 35mm film.