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Can anyone explain how Children of Kings isn't exactly in the standard timeline?

Only that the author mentions he was heavily influenced by Bruce Greenwood's Pike rather than Jeffrey Hunter's. Ah, and what Christopher said above.
 
Can anyone explain how Children of Kings isn't exactly in the standard timeline?

Only that the author mentions he was heavily influenced by Bruce Greenwood's Pike rather than Jeffrey Hunter's. Ah, and what Christopher said above.

The main plot of Children of Kings builds on a tidbit about Orions from Diane Duane's classic Spock's World.

As far as I'm concerned, the book fits with canon as well as Star Trek: Enterprise, STXI (which featured Klingons with cloaks in 2258, and even earlier in the deleted scenes - and this after ENT retconned cloaks into the 2150's) or even something like Wrath of Khan does when put next to TOS. It's Pike-era TOS Trek, but it's not written as a 1964 period piece. Crew ranks and positions change in other Treks (see: Sulu, Geordi, Worf, Treklit Dax etc), so I'd hardly call that proof of the book happening in an alternate timeline, either.

It's about how much you sweat tiny details.
 
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As far as I'm concerned, the book fits with canon as well as Star Trek: Enterprise, STXI (which featured Klingons with cloaks in 2258, and even earlier in the deleted scenes - and this after ENT retconned cloaks into the 2150's) or even something like Wrath of Khan does when put next to TOS. It's Pike-era TOS Trek, but it's not written as a 1964 period piece. Crew ranks and positions change in other Treks (see: Sulu, Geordi, Worf, Treklit Dax etc), so I'd hardly call that proof of the book happening in an alternate timeline, either.

It's about how much you sweat tiny details.

Well, the author specifically said that he intended it to be in a distinct timeline, so I'd say that's pretty conclusive. It's not like it's some kind of criticism of the novel to point it out.

Really, if anything, ST fans have long been inordinately picky about timeline unity. In most fictional franchises over the decades, there's been little expectation that different adaptations or incarnations would be in a uniform continuity with one another. In prior cases of books based on things that exist as, for instance, both comics and TV shows, the novelist might draw on elements of both without being particularly consistent with either, creating a distinct take unique to the book -- in much the same way that a movie based on a comics series or a TV series based on a movie will create its own distinct interpretation. After all, it's only fiction, so there's no actual "reality" to stay consistent with. What matters is telling an entertaining story with familiar characters and concepts. (These days a lot of fandoms insist on the same level of consistency, perhaps because home video and the Internet have made it a lot easier to track the details, but historically Trek seems to have been one of the first franchises whose fans and creators treated different incarnations of the concept as sharing a single consistent reality.)

A lot of early Trek tie-ins were flexible too, before the licensing department and the fans alike became more particular about continuity. The Gold Key comics were all over the place conceptually; the Bantam and early Pocket novels often featured quite idiosyncratic interpretations of the universe as filtered through their particular authors' imaginations; consistency with the details of the series was limited. It was a freer time. TCoK is kind of a return to that mentality, that philosophy that a fictional franchise can exist in many different interpretations and versions.
 
Can anyone explain how Children of Kings isn't exactly in the standard timeline?

Only that the author mentions he was heavily influenced by Bruce Greenwood's Pike rather than Jeffrey Hunter's. Ah, and what Christopher said above.

Actually, doesn't Dave say that he intended it as a prequel to the new film, but his Pike came out more Jeffrey Hunter than Bruce Greenwood?
 
I love trek fic and want to read sto. but i would like to do it from pike to kirk in the right order from the first five year mission to star trek 6 then onto the lost era and stargazer series. I know it'll take forever to do this but it is something I have been thing of for a long time . and what about robert april books other than the final frontier are there any ?
 
I read the first two Titan books, to meet Riker's crew, before reading Destiny.

You can jump into any of these novels without reading the ones before them. They're always designed to be readable right off the bat.

However, I think your reading experience with Destiny would be enhanced if you read these books in this order:

* Star Trek: A Time to Kill by David Mack
* Star Trek: A Time to Heal by David Mack
* Star Trek: A Time for War, A Time for Peace by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* Titan: Taking Wing by Michael A. Martin & Andy Mangels
* Star Trek: Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* Titan: Orion's Hounds by Christopher L. Bennett
* TNG: Q & A by Keith R.A. DeCandido
* TNG: Before Dishonor by Peter David
* TNG: Greater Than the Sum by Christopher L. Bennett
* Destiny, Book I: Gods of Night by David Mack
* Destiny, Book II: Mere Mortals by David Mack
* Destiny, Book III: Lost Souls by David Mack
 
Can anyone explain how Children of Kings isn't exactly in the standard timeline?

Well, to quote myself from the original review thread:
There are a number of clear differences from canon here. Garison is a lieutenant instead of a chief petty officer, Pitcairn is chief engineer instead of transporter chief, the Klingons already have a prototype cloak in the 2250s, and there's even a reference to the Ferengi. Plus it's evidently before "The Cage" yet Colt is already Pike's yeoman, rather than the replacement for the one he lost on Rigel VII immediately before "The Cage." I was confused at first, until I read the author's note at the end, where Stern says that the new film continuity "freed [him] of the need to write specifically to one vision of humanity's future" and that the book shows "the Enterprise as it might have been under Captain Christopher Pike." He calls it a "prequel" to the movie, though it can't be, since the movie showed the Enterprise's maiden voyage. So it's not quite in the Prime universe and it's not quite in the Abramsverse. It's apparently sort of a stealth Myriad Universes tale, an alternate take on Pike's captaincy and on the astropolitical situation of the 2250s.

It's an interesting approach. I'd imagine it's a product of the period when the editors weren't sure how to deal with the new continuity and were developing projects adaptable to either timeline, or at least not specifically bound to either one.

The oddities in The Children of Kings appear to have been discussed at length at Memory Beta, though no conclusion seems to have been reached (the consensus seems to lean toward the novel taking place in 2256). The discussion there indicates that, aside from the mention of the Ferengi, a 2256 setting would allow the inconsistencies to fit with TOS (Colt has been Pike's yeoman for some time, Garrison became an officer in the intervening years, Pitcairn finally accepted the position of chief engineer, etc.), and, aside from a handful of lingering issues (such as Colt being an ensign instead of a lieutenant) with earlier Pike-era Trek literature.

IIRC, there's also a small problem involving Spock's impressions of the use of paper aboard Pike's ship that conflicts with The Menagerie and/or The Cage.

For anyone interested, another Memory Beta discussion seems to have produced a thorough accounting of Pike-era uniform colors and insignia. For instance, the away team jackets in The Cage carried several different sleeve insignia - a gold stripe, a wide blue-gray stripe, and nothing (worn only by Colt) - and the silver cadet uniforms are subtly vertically striped.
 
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I love trek fic and want to read sto. but i would like to do it from pike to kirk in the right order from the first five year mission to star trek 6 then onto the lost era and stargazer series. I know it'll take forever to do this but it is something I have been thing of for a long time . and what about robert april books other than the final frontier are there any ?

Best Destiny is the sequel to Final Frontier and features April. IIRC, Greg Cox wrote a short story starring April for some anthology (whose name eludes me) of Enterprise captain stories.

A slightly different Captain April and crew crop up at the start of in Alan Dean Foster's Star Trek Log 7, where we see the Enterprise's official launch.

There was a Captain April life story book (akin to Pike's story in Burning Dreams) rumoured for a while, but I don't think anything came of it.
 
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We also see the Mirror Universe versions of April and his crew in the short story, Ill Winds in the anthology Shards and Shadows.
 
^Did ya' cram in two dozen naval references for the authentic Diane Carey experience?;)

I don't know enough about sailing to do that!

Seriously, I just wanted to be consistent with her portrayal of the characters. (I also spent an entire day prowling video stores in Manhattan in search of a copy of the "The Counter-Clock Incident," which was NOT easy to find back then!)
 
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