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Star Trek: The Future Begins is TINO

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Star Trek: The Future Begins (ST:TFB) or ST:11 is TINO, or Trek in Name Only.

The Star Trek created by Roddenberry in TOS, the movies, and ST:TNG was about good science, science fiction that made sense, and stories that had a positive point about humanity using human/alien or human/technology to flesh that out.

The movie, ST:TFB is a take off of Star Wars with characters who have names like Kirk, Spock, and Pike. ST:TFB has phaser battles, hand-to-hand combat, torture, and weird aliens from Hoth (oh, I meant Delta Vega).

TOS, TNG, TWOK, TVH, TUC, FC, DS9, and ENT (Manny Coto year) all did a good job with good science, plausible science fiction, and stories that showed the conflict between man and alien, man and technology, and man against society.

ST:TFB only ranks a little higher than Voyager, or Lost in Space Trek because of the good special effects, explosions, and good acting. The story, however, is hogwash and bad science.

For example, we have to believe that some star goes supernova and the explosion threatens not only Romulus (who mourns for Remas) but the whole quadrant?

And, when Spock goes out to save the day he's late. When has Spock been late?

The explosion from another star (remember the supernova sun wasn't Romulus) travels so fast that the Romulans don't have like a couple of years to escape its effect (explosions from supernovas don't travel faster than the speed of light).

Spock needs this red matter stuff (never explained) to save the quadrant, and he only has to use a pinch, so he brings a 60 gallon bag of the stuff?

Also, Starfleet is in such need of recruits that it picks up a drunkard townie who picks fights with the cadets. Yes, this is something we can believe in.

When the crisis hits and a dozen or more ships depart from Earth, who gets the call. Not the experienced officers of all these ships, but all the cadets from the Academy.

And, to be even more picky, the engineering deck looked like waste management facility from 2009.

But. the worst part of the movie is when Spock strangles Kirk. Anyone who knows anything about Spock knows that Spock wouldn't strangle Kirk (without at least good dose of spores). Spock would never lose his cool like this, and especially not because because some jerk, about to expelled, already thrown off the ship officer is taunting him.

This movie wasn't made for Trekkers. It was a standard issue Hollywood movie that was filled with a lot of under 25 year-old actors and no mature adults. It was meant to grab the teen dollar, not to recapture the vision of Roddenberry. Paramount doesn't care and didn't care when it signed off on this movie that the movie rips and tears down the concept of Star Trek.

A good pick up the pace film set after Nemesis could have been made, or if a prequel had to be made, we could find out how Kirk got the Palm Leaf of Axanar. That sounds like a story that needs to be told. Enterprise had a few good episodes about the formation of the early Federation (Manny Coto) and a decent (as I look back on it) time bending story involving the Xindi. These concepts could have been explored in a prequel without destroying the characters we know, and tearing down the Star Trek universe.

But, in the end, Paramount wasn't concerned about the Trekkers, they were concerned about making a buck and they really wanted to change things so they could write more rubbish using the concepts from TOS because when it really comes down to it, they are lazy too.
 
Right because every problem in space can be caused by reversing the polarity of the isometric ionization inhibitor or a wide beam Tachyon pulse.

You need to actually learn something about science before you say Star Trek dealt with good science because you do not realize how wrong you are.

Do you know how to get Deuterium? Do you know what Deuterium even is? Why is something that can be retrieved from water so hard to find in Voyager.

YOU sir are Wrong.

The science in this was as strong as it was in TOS. Tribbles born pregnant. Multishiftic universal phasing caused by a reaction of phased energy and the Tholian Web.. Give me a break. There has and always was SOFT Science in Trek. Just enough to convientently explain things, but nothing to actually be relevent.

Mythbusters would have a field day with TOS.
 
Anybody else notice how there are so many new members showing up objecting to the film, whose writing styles are suspiciously similar to other detractors who have been around for some time? I'm just sayin'.
 
Whose ideas was it to let Cadets in :lol:

For example, we have to believe that some star goes supernova and the explosion threatens not only Romulus (who mourns for Remas) but the whole quadrant?

that star thing btw way Galaxy no way but in theory a large enough supernova could cause widespread damage over thousands of lightyears.
 
reversing the polarity of the isometric ionization inhibitor or a wide beam Tachyon pulse.

I am not saying that this plot device from various episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY is good either. However, going through a black hole, ala Disney's The Black Hole, and time/distance crap is bad science.
 
Tell that to Kerr since the Black Hole Time Travel theory is his...

Yes, the muons and other newly formed subatomic particles squeezed together by the infinite density of a singularity could, in theory, come out of a white hole.
 
Star Trek: The Future Begins (ST:TFB) or ST:11 is TINO, or Trek in Name Only.

The Star Trek created by Roddenberry in TOS, the movies, and ST:TNG was about good science, science fiction that made sense, and stories that had a positive point about humanity using human/alien or human/technology to flesh that out.

The movie, ST:TFB is a take off of Star Wars with characters who have names like Kirk, Spock, and Pike. ST:TFB has phaser battles, hand-to-hand combat, torture, and weird aliens from Hoth (oh, I meant Delta Vega).

TOS, TNG, TWOK, TVH, TUC, FC, DS9, and ENT (Manny Coto year) all did a good job with good science, plausible science fiction, and stories that showed the conflict between man and alien, man and technology, and man against society.

ST:TFB only ranks a little higher than Voyager, or Lost in Space Trek because of the good special effects, explosions, and good acting. The story, however, is hogwash and bad science.

If you can't recognize that Voyager had "stories that had a positive point about humanity using human/alien or human/technology to flesh that out" whether you like the series or not; It means you don't know what you're talking about. This series was very topical, TNG and TOS were too. Obviously all series had episodes that were about nothing (some humoristic episodes for example). Sliders is also another show which was topical. More at the beginning than at the end. As each parallel universe was a reflection of some aspect of our society. Same thing with TNG and VOY were each aliens, for example, are a reflection of some aspect of our society.
 
going through a black hole, ala Disney's The Black Hole, and time/distance crap is bad science.

Look at MR HAWKINGS here...we know jack squat about black holes other than there hard to see and suck things in. Many people have theorised that time travel or trvael of some kind could be possible via a black hole

we don't know so don't make out you do and guess what its called SCIENCE FICTION <------- FICTION.

btw FC had time travel, TOS had it wait every TREK had it and more worser so called science :rolleyes:
 
No Problem, I amazed that people even talk about it since this stuff has been postulated since the 1970's when they discovered the first White Holes.
 
btw FC had time travel, TOS had it wait every TREK had it and more worser so called science :rolleyes:

So are you comparing ST:TFB with City on the Edge of Forever?

Time travel is great, but what's the point for Nero? He didn't mean to travel back in time, but now that he has and his goal is to destroy the Federation (and he has a well armed ship with lots of photon torpedoes), what does he do? He waits for 25 years.
 
since the 1970's when they discovered the first White Holes.

We've never discovered white holes ? right...I thought they were only theory and we believe they only last for a few seconds right maybe at the birth of a black hole ?
 
btw FC had time travel, TOS had it wait every TREK had it and more worser so called science :rolleyes:
So are you comparing ST:TFB with City on the Edge of Forever?

Time travel is great, but what's the point for Nero? He didn't mean to travel back in time, but now that he has and his goal is to destroy the Federation (and he has a well armed ship with lots of photon torpedoes), what does he do? He waits for 25 years.

Are you going to make me relist every bad plot device from the previous 10 movies :cool: tut tut newbie

and COTEOF c'mon a talking mirror :lol:
 
A good pick up the pace film set after Nemesis could have been made, or if a prequel had to be made, we could find out how Kirk got the Palm Leaf of Axanar. That sounds like a story that needs to be told.
No, that's definitely not a story that needs to be told. Star Trek had to stop masturbating to its own canon, and this was the only way that could happen.
 
Obviously they've been discovered because.. FROM THE ARTICLE I POSTED A LINK TO

White holes are practically just like black holes in the way they are formed. The difference is that, in white holes, objects are pushed away from the center, unlike black holes which engulf objects not allowing them to escape their gravitational force. Therefore, black holes and white holes must be connected in some way, theorists believe they are connected by worm holes. If this is true, the way that this system would work is that the object would be pulled in through the black hole and shot through the wormhole at a speed close to that of light and then at the end the object would be pushed out through the white hole in another area in space. Antigravity is a force that is opposite to gravity, instead of attracting all objects, it repels them. This works kind of like when two protons come in contact with each other. Wormholes are theoretical objects in space. Wormholes are tunnels that connect two areas of space. Theoretically, black holes and white holes are connected by wormholes. Therefore, the black holes suck objects in and then are spewed out of white holes in another area in space. The tunnels that connect the two holes are called wormholes.
 
The true science of TOS, eh? No time-travel through black holes, you say?

"Captain's Log, Stardate 3113.2: We were en route to Starbase 9 for resupply when a black star of high gravitational attraction began to drag us toward it. It required all warp power in reverse to pull us away from the star but like snapping a rubber band, the breakaway sent us plunging through space, out of control to stop here, wherever we are."

Name the episode and series it came from. :)
 
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